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P2 Locomotive Company and related matters

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by class8mikado, Sep 13, 2013.

  1. RAB3L

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    Why would a stay on the RHS of the firehole be easier/harder to replace than the same stay on the other side? The reason for the asymmetry is probably much simpler - for whatever reason, they didn't have sufficient flexibles and placed the five stays required away from the corners.
     
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    Er..... I hope that no inner firebox ever gets near 600C, even for a short time. If it does, its time for serious panic. The plates are kept relatively cool by the boiler water. Even allowing for a temperature gradient between the flame side and the water side I wouldn't expect it to exceed 250deg.
    I do wonder whether the number of flexible stays being installed on this boiler is overkill. I can understand the need for them where copper fireboxes are in use but the differential expansion between steel inner and outer fireboxes is going to be a lot less. I doubt that there has been any FEA carried out (although happy to be told that's not the case) and I suspect it is a jerk reaction to the problems casued by the effectively short stays of the original boiler.
     
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    I really hope boiler makers are not making design changes on the fly like this because they haven't ordered the right parts. If they are, a great deal else comes into question.
     
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    We are talking about five stays difference!
     
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    I'm talking about the underlying engineering practices - if changes are being made on the fly like that, it makes me ask what else I should worry about.
     
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    Flexible (socketed) stays with a copper firebox? The nearest you get to that is a copper stay. Most likely, the copper firebox is the flexible part.
     
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    That's something I've never thought about and, when I do, the only flexible stays I've had any involvement with have been on steel fireboxes. Is there a reason why they wouldn't be used on a copper box?
     

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