Rolling Stock For Sale

All i can say is i tried to preserve things in my past with my own money might i add.

 

I'm sure your heart is in the right place but you've also misrepresented who is behind the fundraiser twice on the GFM. I dont know you even do that.

 

Which

Which Ones

 

Well the profile says "Scorpio R" on the GFM page, but when you click on it it becomes "Sabrina M". Neither of which are "Stuart Reeder".

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That makes me very uncomfortable - with very nasty words like "fraud" and "misrepresentation" coming uncomfortably rapidly to mind.

 

And the mystery Sabrina appears in Stuart's FB friend list. The account itself is a clear roleplay account who's only railway based page follow is this project. Even the profile pic on GFM looks like Stuart with Snapchat filters working hard.

 

Nope

 

Delete the old account as i dont know any details for it

 

Without comment on what you have or haven't achieved with your own money, you are asking people for money in a GoFundMe. The least they're entitled to is absolute honesty about who they are investing in and what their plan is if the fundraising is successful.

When I was still in nappies, a line preservation project got into trouble and failed. The way it had gone about things discredited railway preservation in the area for decades after.

We're allowed to fail, but not if we're careless with other peoples' money. Appeals like this are a repository of some really deep hopes and expectations - see post #1410 for an example of that.

 

As the guy who's put £200 into the kitty (and then unwittingly sparked all of this...) all I'll say is... I've given my trust to the appeal. I think that trust should be repaid with a bit of honesty as to who they are and what their plan beyond taking them away from Ruddington is. Then we can either
- get behind this appeal (if it's genuine) or
- keep an eye open for one that is.

I will not be at all happy if the plan is 'leave them to rot in a field'.

 

While the intent may be good, I do wonder if the whole project has been thought through. There will be costs which may have been overlooked after the purchase of the coaches, like transport costs to move them to a new site, storage costs at the new site, and whether they will be under cover while the work is being carried out. If it is to be done professionally, do you have an estimate of this cost? Are there any nasties that need to be removed by a professional? Then there are site insurance costs; there is a lot more to consider than just buying the coaches themselves.

In other words, what is your long-term business plan for them? If you are able to answer all of these, then I wish you the best of luck in seeing this project through to the end.

 

The plan is to fully restore them to operational use.

 

With respect, that is the intention. What is the plan about how you will get them to that position?

Edit. I should also have asked, what is that plan based on, and what expertise are you going to be able to draw upon to make it real?

 

It will be worse than that.
They’ll go to a field, rot for a bit, maybe get burnt and then the underframes will get sold to the scrappers.
If I was you I’d ask go fund me for your money back and let the current owners know who they’re dealing with.

 

Have a transportation quote
For one of the possible locations. Have site fees price for initially 18 months with an option to extend
Cover wise will depend on location
Insurance will also depend on location may have to get own insurance
Been told £150k-£250k per coach
No nastys in the coaches

 

You mean the current owners who now dont have insurance on them due to apparently not paying their subs to the railway hence the reason they have them up gor grabs and from the sounds of it the bantums are off to a new home soon too.

 

Sorry, I'm confused here. Are you organising the fundraiser and the FB group, or not?

In post #1428 you've said you're not involved, and then posts #1437 and #1438 you're implying that you are. So, which is it?

And although I've put £200 to the fundraiser, I'd make very plain that any further donations (and indeed whether I recall my current donation or not) very much hinges on knowing
1) Who the fundraiser is
2) What their experience and knowledge is
3) What the plan is - how is the restoration to be managed, financed and undertaken
4) And also - if 3)'s going to be a 'once we've got the money' item (which could be years) how the carriages will be conserved in their current condition so there's something to actually restore when there's money to do the work.

At the moment you've got the benefit of the doubt from me, but that's being rapidly eroded.

 

You’ve already said upthread that you haven’t got a quote for the insurance so you are in no better position if what you say is true.

Why don’t you just be honest about everything, tell people who you are instead of hiding behind pseudonyms, be honest and upfront about the costs/quotes and how the money will be raised and accounted for. You can’t just ask the public for hundreds of thousands of pounds and not explain where the money is going to and who’s making the decisions.
Once again I would refer you back to this post and ask that you ensure you meet all the points before you take a single penny from anyone. However I know you’ll ignore this (as you have done with all your previous “projects “).