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North Yorkshire Moors Railway General Discussion

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by The Black Hat, Feb 13, 2011.

  1. Pete Thornhill

    Pete Thornhill Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Administrator Moderator Friend

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    A bit off topic but are you sure it’s a patch and not a the other way round and the patch has come off as around 20 -25 years ago there was a bit of a an issue with the local authority as the signs were erected stating “Severn Valley Railway” but the powers that be decided this was against the brown sign rules and deemed advertising rather than information and they had to be amended to the more general “Steam Railway” text instead and the signs were patched over the original lettering to achieve this (some of them rather roughly). I must admit I haven’t paid any particular attention to the signs for a long time but do remember all the fuss, the safari park had the same issue.
     
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    That’s a shame the communication couldn’t be maintained as engagement and transparency are useful tools, especially when for fundraising purposes. Away from the NYMR, the GWSR & SVR offer good examples of where this has contributed to successful appeals. Where as the WSR decided to be vague and not communicate and raised a negligible amount. It’s a lesson the NYMR could learn from.
     
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    The lack of communication is one of the biggest mistakes those in charge are making. As is evidenced here and elsewhere, lack of information leads to speculation, rumour and gossip and that can soon escalate and become quite damaging. Virtually every post on here is gossip as virtually nothing is forthcoming from the railway. If the powers that be were up front with information that is factual and answered questions and comment, this thread would be much shorter and, if I were a betting man, I would bet a Mars Bar that those posting would be more supportive, even to the point of being financially so. However, I’m not a betting man.;)
     
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    Confidence in the management team is also key, and although the SMT seem to be too thick-skinned to notice it, that seems to be almost wholly lost on the NYMR. There will always be some who respond regardless, but after a while appeals seem to have a way of fizzling out and quietly abandoned - bridge 42 is just the latest, after 75029, and 80135 was only saved after a large legacy to pay for the boiler work - but the lack of any news of progress on the boiler leaves me wondering if the money has now been spent elsewhere. That would make a mockery of there being ring-fenced funds, if it were true. I once met the person I think was the legatee in question, and he told me that the legacy was specifically for 80135.
     
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    Exactly this, transparency and communication are key and also would dispel some of the concerns and suggested misinformation. The examples in my previous post actually show this in action.

    Looking specifically at donations, I personally think people are more inclined to make a donation to something where they understand what the donation is actually for, especially if confidence is low in the day to day management. This is exactly where the WSR fell down with their appeal - a lack of clarity in what the money was for which meant myself and others didn’t donate specifically because they had no idea what they were donating for. This contrasts with the other examples which gave clear indication of what the money was required for and unsurprisingly were successful as a result.

    Going back to the lack of confidence, a lack of communication only leads to strengthening that lack of confidence, especially when in reality is quite a basic thing to get right and in turn leads to questions as to why the secrecy.
     
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    That’s quite possible. I understood that you could only have the generic ‘Steam Railway’ as naming the railway was considered to be advertising but, looking on the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges (vol 6) it gives an example saying ‘Woodland Steam Railway’. I wonder if the former is something that the local council will put up and the latter is something that you can pay lots of money for; anything up to £40k was quoted for a motorway sign.
     
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    https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1PRkBXTWm3/

    Latest update was a couple of weeks ago, right at the very bottom. HBSS moved premises earlier this year so that explains some of the delay, plus the magnitude of work required.
     
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    I understand 80135 is planned to enter service in 2028, along with 34101. There was a grand plan for locos published a couple of years ago but I can’t find it anywhere now. It certainly included 75029 but not 76079. I think that there is a loco crisis looming but there are plans to hire in beginning to take shape.
     
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    I think the NYMR should be OK for 2027, larger loco-wise - assuming that the two black 5s, 92134, Repton and Omaha will all be available, and with 825 plus 63395 probably due back next year. Beyond then, what runs out of ticket? Perhaps most of them apart from 44806 and 825, so that will really be a crunch point, and one where the mpd staff will need to be motivated to deliver miracles! At the moment, they seem from accounts I've seen to be very demotivated. Providing them with reassurance and general gee-ing up, would seem to be a key job for the CEO - but is she capable of doing either, and braving the lions den?
     
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    I admire your optimism. 45428 has been in traffic for more than 8 years. Repair or start the overhaul now? Is 92134 guaranteed to return after its visits to Bluebell and Chinnor? 926 seems to spend 6 months in traffic, 6 months out.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the home fleet at the start of next season is simply 44806 and 2253, with 63395 and 825 returning as the year goes on and 926 making appearance over the summer.
     
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    My post was not intended to be belittling, it was simply a statement of my own experience - and I accept that yours may be different. In terms of "vox pop" support, though, I note that my post received several "likes" and yours did not attract (at the time of writing) any whatsoever. I do not claim that they are relevant, because I know nothing of their backgrounds, but it does appear that their sentiment, at least, seems to agree with me!
     
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    That, though, was a post from HBSS, nothing has come from the NYMR, and it is their boiler!
     

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