6201

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That's the officialdom over with... please lets discuss 6201 at your leisure.

 

Does anyone know why Simon (from 6233) was traveling as engineer on 6201 last saturday?

 

Neither Richard Watkin or Alan were available due to prior commitments so Simon Towell very kindly stepped into the breach.

 

Let me be the first:

Paint it green!

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Its been a long time coming but .......

http://www.6201.co.uk

and theres also http://www.46201.co.uk which is exactly the same site but in green (OK I lied about that bit \/ )

 

In this quarters special PROPAGANDA issue of the 6201 Members Newsletter, there is no mention of the announcement made at the AGM (6/6/09) by Allan Scott (only appointed engineer in March 2009) that he had resigned from that position the previous week, while he remains with the society. The engineering mantle is taken over by the society's engineering contractors LNWR's Richard Watkins.

Once again, information is being withheld from the majority of its members, in fact unless you attended the AGM, you would not be aware of this important fact, something that the Chairman doesn't consider important enough to mention in his report!!!!!!

 

In a society, ALL members MUST be given a copy of the minutes to ALL meetings. These minutes must be ACCURATE. The minutes must be agreed and signed at the next meeting as "being a true record of what happened at the last meeting" There should therefore be no scope for ANY omissions! Its not rocket science

 

That is correct so far as it goes, but AGM minutes are frequently not issued until the notice of the next AGM, often ten months apart.

A lot of mushrooms can grow in ten months

 

Not so. Members should have access to copies of the minutes to GENERAL meetings, whether Annual or Extraordinary. It does not give them access to committee or other meetings. Furthermore, a Chairman's report can only cover facts up to the end of the year being reported, and does not necessarily cover events after the period in question. There may be significant matters that can be noted as happening after the year end that can be reported, but the resignation of a post holder may not necessarily fall into that category, regardless of how important that post is.

I appreciate there are some who have concerns about the PELS, and I do not know enough about the history to have a view. However it does seem to me that the Society is going through something of a turmoil, and all the angst being vented on this forum is doing nothing to help the Officers deal with a series of difficult problems. Why not let them get on with it and sort the problems out themselves?

 

Not so I'm afraid. It depends on the Society's constitution, or Articles of Association if it is a Limited Company. All members should be sent minutes of the previous AGM along with the notice of the forthcoming AGM but as for minutes of committee meetings/board meetings, it may be sufficient for them to be available for inspection at reasonable times. In the Societies to which I belong none have a requirement to send minutes of ordinary committee/board meetings to all members.

 

Ho hum, here we go again.
How long before people realise that what owners or groups do with Their Engine? Or the people they employ to look after it is none of our business?
Just be thankful that you aren't shaving with her remains or that the food you feed you cat or dog didn't come from cans made from her remains.
For gods sake, we are supposed to be about preservation. That doesn't mean that every loco, no matter how important has to be in perfect mainline running order. Take for instance Duchess Of Hamilton, she has been restored to as near as possible as built. Does that make her any less valuable as an artefact of our railway heritage than if she was running in her post war condition?
I think not.
For gods sake get on with the business of Preservation and stop carping and back biting. It puts none of us in a good light.
And to you members of the 6201 Society on here. Keep your petty squabbles between yourselves. Airing them in public does our movement as a whole a disservice.

 

Wise words and a huge dose of sound common-sense. Well said Salty =D>

 

Couldn't agree more. All societies suffer at some stage from 'internal politics', but the emphasis is on internal; they are no-one else's business. If it were to happen within the SMF (and to forestall rumour, there isn't anything that I know of), there will be no postings here or in the magazines; we will sort it out ourselves without outside help - or interference.

 

Totally agree with the above.

The best approach if you have a love of a particular engine is to bump into the crew at a steaming or water stop. If you're brief and to the point they will always want to natter, given the time. An exchange of phone nos/mobiles will bring dividends and keep things friendly.

As an aside, in my experience steam boys and girls aren't always keyboard bashers as well as crew members so be patient. \/

 

And that is exactly where my information comes from - those who funded the last overhaul, those who until recently were the workers, and a recent chat at the Ashton water stop with an old friend who has just joined up.

Most definitely horses mouth and not hearsay

 

Change in the roster for Weekend of 21/8, 22/8 & 23/8 on RTC trips

Fri 21/8 now 6233 Duchess of Sutherland. Crewe to Scarborough & return

Sat 22/8 now 6201 Princess Elizabeth. Liverpool to Carlisle & return

Sun 23/8 as planned 6233 Duchess of Sutherland. Liverpool to Holyhead & return.

I make these changes available as 6201 website www.6201.co.uk has not yet been updated.

Steve Blakemore
6201 support Crew

 

The Grapevine is buzzing with news that No 9 has failed, the result being that 6201 is going to Scarborough on Fri 28/9. Can anyone confirm this?

 

6201 is covering for now after 60009 was stopped at Crewe with superheater flue problems.

 

Thanks for the info, do we know if 6201 is covering any of 60009's trips in Sept, as I understand that she is having other work done while at Crewe?