WHR General Discussion.

Its not 'trolling', im quite happy for people to comment on not only my opinion, but why i hold that opinion. Trolling would be saying 'the WHRL would never have got anywhere' without explaining why i thought that.

For instance, i know the GCC and WHRL were looking to gain the trackbed in partnership, but would there have been any legal requirement for the council to lease parts of the trackbed to latter? Im not sure how thats possible, or how the council could be prevented from going back on it - of course this doesnt change the problems of the WHRL operating a railway more akin to the FR in length and size.

I'd also quite like to know, was there ever any dicussion about changing the ethos of the railway away from just a recreation of the old WHR? I've looked through some old 'journals' and havent come across anything, but i would be interested if there was.

These are genuine questions before i get accused of trolling again, im quite happy to change my opinion of what would've happened should things have gone differently.

Chris

 

Don't worry Chris about the accusation of trolling.
It comes from the arch-troll on this thread who has only recently encountered the word and doesn't know what it means....

 

Are you implying then that the arch-troll on this thread is not aware of what he or she is doing and by such an implication is innocent of all accusation ? Or do you mean that the arch-troll has made a vital contribution to this thread purely by accident ? Maybe the arch-troll knows what he or she is writing about and is using it to create a positive dynamic, which may interest people, even if they do not agree ? Who knows ? According to you, not even the arch-troll !!

 

Ladies, gentlemen (and trolls of either sex),

Could we please return to the subject of the thread?

Richard

 

Trolling it isn't. Indeed Chris is refering to some well know facts about about the origins of the project that are easily available in print elsewhere (see P Johnson & others).

L

 

The title of this thread is 'WHR, has it a future` ? I think i have mentioned the present and the future more than anyone else on this thread. I have also, on many occasions expressed my opinion, including proposals for the 'North Wales Light rail Transit tramway` and why i believe the FR/WHR won't work as it is at present. The WHR 64 or WHHR could run their trains on the WHR even without a reconciliation, they call that 'Rights`. There should be much more participation from the state.

 

That worked Richard!

 

Getting back to the thread??

Getting back to the topic-although a little offtopic does anyone know how the NG15 appeals been going in Caernarfon? Last I heard was that for the first week or so the amount needed was raised but news seems to have dried up on how its going...

Welsh Highland future wise a lot time will tell how it all develops. Like any new line it'll take a few years for visitor numbers to stabalise and to see what works best.

 

The amount they want to raise is with the rusty lump of metal sat in the square in Caernarfon is £1m+ if they do raise this by some sort of miracle, it will probably kill them (and me) with shock.

 

Im pretty sure that was a marketing 'angle' to get some coverage in the local and specialist press - i dont think anyone seriously expects to make half a million pounds on the final day!

Anyway, regarding my earlier post about the FR/WHR/WHRL + GCC situation there's been an interesting post regarding this bit of history on the WHR e-group if people are interested, message #45719, although i think you have to be signed up to see it.

Chris

 

Yes, and also one of the reasons they now seem to lack credibility as far as the FRCo is concerned. I believe the costs on this section rose way beyond the original estimates but surely there are still other projects, on the section of track where WHHR want to run, to which they could contribute both money and volunteers for the long-term goodwill and benefit of themselves as well as FRCo. Their present apparent strategy, of just waiting for the FR to agree to let them run, doesn't seem to be working.

 

Funny, I thought they had already done that.

Here's a question for you all to ponder...
How much money does the FR need in total to finish the necessary works that would allow trains to run from Beddgelert to Porthmadog?

I have no idea of the answer, but have spoken to some people "in the know" with varying results, but one answer does keep cropping up. So, any ideas?

 

They have - but they stopped before the job was finished.

How much money does the FR need?
- as much as they can get!

 

I think you'll find the FR have also stopped before the job was finished.

 

To whom it may concern.

For God's sake, stop bitching and go and ride the bloody railway. That way, you'll prove your credentials as true enthusiasts and help ensure it has a future at the same time...

You'll probably enjoy it as well. It's difficult not to.

To whom it doesn't concern, take no notice.

Regards,

jtx

 

Ah, someone with an ounce of common sense. It is a truly spectacular railway, never mind whose nose might have been put of joint. The fact is that is there for all to see and enjoy. Bugger the 'knowalls' and 'axe grinders'; go and have a look and then look at the heading of this thread.

The answer is YES.

Meic

 

It is indeed a magnificent railway and I am proud to have played a small part in rebuilding it. To hear a punter exclaim 'wow!' as the train enters the Aberglaslyn Pass - and someone always does - makes all those hours of standing in the rain and snow to lay the track almost worthwhile.

I can see why the WHHR wants to share in the FR's success and can only hope there is a change of management direction at the Farm before the acrimony and pettiness descends into a permanent breakdown in diplomatic relations.

The recent decision by WHHR management to withdraw the permission it had originally granted for access across its land to the new Cambrian crossing cabin at Cae Pawb is a very strange decision indeed for a company that claims it wishes to cooperate with the FR in order to run its trains on their track.

 

Andrew,

I don't think its so much about access, since there is a public footpath that runs between Cae Pawb cabin site and Gelerts Farm, and more about the services (Electricity, Water and so on) to serve the cabin, which WHHR have said no to, for the moment.

As Adrian said on the RhE group, its as valid a bargaining tool as the FR threatening to reclaim the exhibits from the museum if the WHHR didn't do everything asked of it.

I'm not saying either is right, just trying to clarify the situation.

John