76079 Bought By The NYMR

Comment seen elsewhere from Ian Riley confirms that 76079 has been sold to the NYMR.

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This can only be a good thing for the NYMR. The more engines it owns, the less it has to pay in hire fees. My only concern are whether this means the engine would not be available for other railways to hire for special events.

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As the loco doesn't have it's support coach does this mean that it won't do any more Cambrians and possibly not on the mainline minus Whitbys or the NYMR has a support coach ready.

 

I suspect the plan is to share the A4 support coach assuming the A4 group are agreable, as long as both are not mainline at the same time.

I suspect it was a simple bit of maths, NYMR need the standard 4 for the next x seasons and when you off set the hire cost for tha period you may as well buy the engine.

 

Seems strange that a few months ago the NYMR was facing closure over a week bridge and needed a vast amount of money raised to repair it along with an appeal for money for repairs to the Standard Tank and now they can afford to buy a fully working main line certified loco.

Has the bridge appeal been successful?

 

'Blackadder' has just posted this on the NYMR Forum -

"...it's probably a good idea to point out that the NYMR hasn't just suddenly found a big pot of gold, especially when we're asking for you to contribute you're hard earned cash to the bridge appeal.

The loco has been bought using a HP deal, similar to what you would use to buy a car. This sort of borrowing would not be available for a bridge.

Evidently works out cheaper than hire engines for its projected mileage. The S160 will be sold to offset part of the cost."


(Apologies to Blackadder, hope you dont mind me re-posting but i think its a very important piece of info)

Chris

 

This is not true, hired locos are cheaper, the initial up front daily cost might be less with their own locos but in the long run they have to find the cash and overhaul the engine with their own paid staff. Just look at 3672 and 80135 as perfect examples of locos they own but can now no longer afford to overhaul. The hired locos are overhauled and repaired by volunteer groups therefore bringing the cost of overhauling and running the loco over a 10 year boiler life period right down below that of doing it with paid staff.

I fear the NYMR have just bought themselves a quick fix, but ultimatley unless they drastically change the way they do or finace things then when due for overhaul 76079 will go the same way as 3672 and 80135.

 

I wonder if the NYMR considered putting in the remaining funds required by the Standard 4 people up at Morpeth?
76084 is to come to the NYMR on completion, and a "relatively" modest amount is required to undertake the boiler overhaul.

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I'd imagine 76084 is probably two years away yet, plus the cost of the boiler, plus the cost of going mainline...
76079 is ready to go... for many years..on demand, slowly being paid for...

I wonder how much the S160 is worth, PKP locomotives are considerably cheaper in Poland and don't think this will fetch anywhere close to the value of a UK mainline locomotive.. the Bressingham / NVR BR52's were only around £30k (better condition, 1 with spare boiler) and PKP was selling similar sized locomotives to scrap dealers for only £4k-£7k just recently.

 

What makes you think that the loco will take 2 years to finish? Looking at their website, most of the heavy work is done and the boiler work has already started.


Keith

 

76079 Bought by NYMR

I think it is unlikely that 76079 will be seen on the main line in future much beyond Battersby , unless the NYMR have aspirations to work through to Middlesbro', whereupon as the only one of the NYMR's servoice fleet to be fitted with OTMR it could venture beyond Battersby. The NYMR isn't in the main line business and supporting the loco in the height of summer for the Cambrian services would draw staff & volunteers from the NYMR at the time of year when they are most needed. It may occasionally visit other lines for galas, but the likelihood is that this would occur as part of a reciprocal arrangement.

I suspect that when 76084 arrives at the NYMR it may have the equipment fitted to enable it to work to Whitby, but I can't see it doing much more than that - the equipmentr to go further afield is too expensive to purchase and install unless the loco is spending most of its time on the main network.

 

You have a valid point, but for balance 45428 will shortly return from an extensive repair , Repton remains in traffic and 80135 will probably return in few years. Looking at various threads on here there are probably plenty of railways who would welcome a 'quick fix' at the moment.

 

To be honest.. I could imagine it being 3 years even.
Unless they are working full time hours dedicated week in week out..my guess is that it will take longer.

When was the last time that a "first ever running in preservation barry wreck" to have a full boiler job done was completed inside a year ? plus all remaining fittings made, tested, lifted, set and all mechanical parts fitted ready for trial running inside a year having not worked in 40 years ?

80097 has looked a similar level of completness as 76084 since around 1990 and it's still not finished (and has been 4 years away from steaming ever since 1985), but they patiently persist and some day it will run.

Even previous runs like 45305, 45428, 45337, 44871 or next up barry wreck 45379.. were all rolling chassis 18 months ago.. and none of them have yet moved on their own.

Good luck to them if it's sooner and when they do I'll grace them with a visit & paying ticket.

But these things take time.


Who's to say when 76084 comes on stream that the NYMR may deciede to cash in 76079 ??

 

so does this mean black five number three is on the cards for mr riley or shawe savile is getting done as the super merchant

 

Well on another forum Ian said that Shaw Savill would be the next project to be undertaken after 44871, how serious this will be I don't know but it'd be nice to see it finally done!

 

76078 bought by NYMR

I believe that one of the reasons given for the sale of 76079 was that Ian felt he didn't have the resources to manage three engines. If that is so then his Merchant Navy may not be top of priorities (and he also mentioned cash flow difficulties as a result of the PTR failure - not a recipe for spending £3/4 million or more on a restoration project!)

 

Anyone know what the weight limit on that that bridge is likely to be ? if it cant be fixed in time for next season then NYMR will need class 4 + power at the lightest weight poss, or look to Run more trains Battersby to Whitby (which again is mainline fitted locos)to keep the earnings coming.
if its say 100 Tonnes plus in which case its a shrewd move - 76079 Might tick both those boxes.
NYMR could send its Larger Locos on 'exchange' visits to get suitable Motive power in the form of Large tank engines, 060's or Smaller 'Moguls'(Std4MTT'S, 52XX'S MR 4F, 43xx, Flying Pig those Corby/Ugly Industrial tanks) which would involve a bit of heritage 'community spirit' at the very least...

 

The price paid for 76079 would have paid for the bridge replacing.

76079 bought on HP,the bridge possibly paid for by a bank loan?

HP or bank loan,they both need repaying in installments,and neither are cheap.Let's hope no poterntial grants are lost as a result of-''well you've just bought that,so why do you need our money''.