If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

Issue No 131

Rasprava u 'Heritage Railway' pokrenuta od Rileys Ghost, 30. Studeni 2009..

Stranica 2 od 3
  1. michaelh

    michaelh Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    29. Travanj 2006.
    Poruka:
    3,080
    Lajkova:
    1,291
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Interesi:
    Very comfortably early retired
    Grad:
    1029
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Martin

    In you response to the original post, you said:

    "The sad thing is that you do not have the courage to put your own name to this diatribe yet see fit to question the ethics and morals as well as the skills of Messrs Wilcock, Milner, Piggott, Chancellor and Langston"

    Sounds to me like an insult...........
     
    michaelh, 2. Prosinac 2009.
    #21
  2. cct man

    cct man Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    15. Siječanj 2007.
    Poruka:
    3,220
    Lajkova:
    49
    Interesi:
    CONSTRUCTION
    Grad:
    LONDON
    Michael , are you not being too sensitive and getting involved in something that is not your concern?

    Regards
    Chris
     
    cct man, 2. Prosinac 2009.
    #22
  3. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

    Pridružen(a):
    12. Rujan 2005.
    Poruka:
    10,146
    Lajkova:
    9,777
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Alderan !
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Yours and my definition of an insult are two different things
     
    Sidmouth, 2. Prosinac 2009.
    #23
  4. michaelh

    michaelh Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    29. Travanj 2006.
    Poruka:
    3,080
    Lajkova:
    1,291
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Interesi:
    Very comfortably early retired
    Grad:
    1029
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I don't buy it these days - stuff I am interested in is readily available and much more up to date on the web as well as frequently far more accurate and less sensational.

    But anyone hawking his wares (as the publishers and editors do) and expecting people to pay for it, should expect criticism - that's life.

    I'm not sure why some on this forum seem to regard editors/photographers/contributors/image sellers as some sort of deity who are immune from criticism.
     
    michaelh, 2. Prosinac 2009.
    #24
  5. dace83

    dace83 Well-Known Member

    Pridružen(a):
    7. Svibanj 2007.
    Poruka:
    2,095
    Lajkova:
    4
    The last few issues have been poor in my opinion, don't care much for shunting techniques or how embankments are trimmed.
    As a result I haven't bought one for two months, lets hope the December issue is better.

    Anyway this is a Heritage Railway thread not an SR one, I may get HR this week as I have had nothing to read for ages.
     
    dace83, 3. Prosinac 2009.
    #25
  6. Guest

    Guest Part of the furniture Account Suspended

    Pridružen(a):
    8. Rujan 2005.
    Poruka:
    3,614
    Lajkova:
    21
    Interesi:
    Occasional
    Grad:
    G C & N S
    If I have bought the rights to an item - then I sell them - that's the whole point of copyright

    If the original owners were that precious about ownership and credits, then perhaps they should have thought before they sold - or perhaps they did - and still sold
     
    Guest, 3. Prosinac 2009.
    #26
  7. Platelayer

    Platelayer Member

    Pridružen(a):
    29. Kolovoz 2008.
    Poruka:
    219
    Lajkova:
    29
     
    Platelayer, 3. Prosinac 2009.
    #27
  8. simon

    simon Resident of Nat Pres

    Pridružen(a):
    26. Lipanj 2006.
    Poruka:
    11,872
    Lajkova:
    5,563
    I'm not sure anyone does, we just get tired of the same complaints being made month in month out.
     
    simon, 3. Prosinac 2009.
    #28
  9. simon

    simon Resident of Nat Pres

    Pridružen(a):
    26. Lipanj 2006.
    Poruka:
    11,872
    Lajkova:
    5,563
    As much as it pains me to say I agree with you: I agree with you.
     
    simon, 3. Prosinac 2009.
    #29
  10. Martin Perry

    Martin Perry Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator Friend

    Pridružen(a):
    15. Travanj 2006.
    Poruka:
    16,551
    Lajkova:
    7,897
    Grad:
    1012 / 60158
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Too right, like a scratched record!! If you don't like the magazine, don't buy it. End of.
     
    Martin Perry, 3. Prosinac 2009.
    #30
  11. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

    Pridružen(a):
    12. Rujan 2005.
    Poruka:
    10,146
    Lajkova:
    9,777
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Alderan !
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Interestingly Riley's ghost hasn't been back to further discuss issue 131
     
    Sidmouth, 3. Prosinac 2009.
    #31
  12. IKB

    IKB Member

    Pridružen(a):
    23. Ožujak 2006.
    Poruka:
    390
    Lajkova:
    30
    Perhaps that's because nothing ever seems to get done about them!
     
    IKB, 4. Prosinac 2009.
    #32
  13. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

    Pridružen(a):
    12. Rujan 2005.
    Poruka:
    10,146
    Lajkova:
    9,777
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Alderan !
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    If you don't like something in a mag , surely the first point of contact is the editor themselves . It is then their choice as to whether to take those comments on board or not . if they don't then airing those views on a forum that said editor may or may not be a member of is even less likely to provoke a change
     
    Sidmouth, 4. Prosinac 2009.
    #33
  14. Rileys Ghost

    Rileys Ghost New Member Account Suspended

    Pridružen(a):
    26. Kolovoz 2009.
    Poruka:
    87
    Lajkova:
    0
    Interestingly

    :rip:
     
    Rileys Ghost, 14. Prosinac 2009.
    #34
  15. michaelh

    michaelh Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    29. Travanj 2006.
    Poruka:
    3,080
    Lajkova:
    1,291
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Interesi:
    Very comfortably early retired
    Grad:
    1029
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    You're a very perceptive guy LOL\\:D/
     
    michaelh, 14. Prosinac 2009.
    #35
  16. Rileys Ghost

    Rileys Ghost New Member Account Suspended

    Pridružen(a):
    26. Kolovoz 2009.
    Poruka:
    87
    Lajkova:
    0
    Confetti Scatterers are at it again!

    :rip:
     
    Rileys Ghost, 22. Prosinac 2009.
    #36
  17. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

    Pridružen(a):
    12. Rujan 2005.
    Poruka:
    10,146
    Lajkova:
    9,777
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Alderan !
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Most images now published are often to be found on the internet whether it be Fotopic sites or the Railway Herald Imaging centre or one of the yahoo groups so most magazine's I've already seen a version or that image . Here we have the perils of Digital

    People forget that some photographers submit for the pleasure of seeing their pictures in print , some for the money to either fund their past time , donate to a project or because it is their livelyhood . So this chap had Christmas come early . He's probably frustrated as well as , as you have pointed out editors like an exclusive image but then if the editor doesn't talk to the submitting photter and confirms it's usage , an image has a short life where it's news worthyness rapidly dimishes and with it chance of publication and money

    Personally the decision to buy a magazine is on the reading content and not on the pictures . If there is nothing worth reading !
     
    Sidmouth, 22. Prosinac 2009.
    #37
  18. Bean-counter

    Bean-counter Part of the furniture

    Pridružen(a):
    21. Srpanj 2007.
    Poruka:
    5,844
    Lajkova:
    7,688
    Spol:
    Muškarac
    Grad:
    Former NP Member
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I think Riley's Ghost has a point here. As he implies, it can be the case that a photographer doesn't know if the first magazine he sends a photograph to is going to use it, so sends it to another.

    I have noticed very similar shots in different magazines in the past - presumably different members of the "gallery" all taking their own unique master shot and submitting it separately!

    Steven
     
    Bean-counter, 22. Prosinac 2009.
    #38
  19. Selsig

    Selsig Member

    Pridružen(a):
    6. Svibanj 2007.
    Poruka:
    980
    Lajkova:
    443
    Grad:
    Coventry, United Kingdom, United Kingdom
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    To be fair, they aren't quite identical pictures.... One was quite obviously taken in the 1960s (with precicely the same locos and stock, in precicely the same condition, and precicely the same position, producing precicely the same steam effects) since its lacking 2 lamposts, one roadsign, a skip and a busstop that have been erected in the meantime....
     
    Selsig, 23. Prosinac 2009.
    #39
  20. Rileys Ghost

    Rileys Ghost New Member Account Suspended

    Pridružen(a):
    26. Kolovoz 2009.
    Poruka:
    87
    Lajkova:
    0
    that have been erected in the meantime....

    :rip:
     
    Rileys Ghost, 23. Prosinac 2009.
    #40
Stranica 2 od 3

Podijelite ovu stranicu