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Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by 50044 Exeter, Jan 12, 2010.

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  1. Martin Perry

    Martin Perry Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator Friend

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    Because no matter how much you tweak it, you are still talking about the inefficiencies of external vs. internal combustion, you will always have that extra stage of losses. Lets face it the real future of rail traction is electric (Yes I know that is very external combustion but its a different case) - nothing beyond the heritage market will be going choo choo.
     
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    Back in the 1950's the Eagle comic (Dan Dare, etc) had a centre fold every week showing a "cut away" drawing of a car, plane, train, etc. One of these was of a nuclear powered loco. IIRC it was based on a steam outline, a bit like GT3 but with a reactor instead of a firebox.

    This link shows several of these drawings, including one of 21C155 Fighter Pilot, but sadly not one of "Sellafield Castle" as it might have been called. The images are clickable.

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...t-delighted-schoolboys-as-much-as-dan-dare.do
     
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    It's a bit off topic, but the Fairey Rotodyne was a lovely machine. Working prototype and everything.
    A genuine shame it didn't work out for production.
     
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    I saw the Rotodyne at the Farnborough Airshow in 1959. Interesting video here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9633v6U0wo

    It mentions the fastest Paris to Brussels train time being nearly three hours then, it's now 1hr 22mins.
     
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    Never been to Paris. It's probably a bad admission on a railway forum, but those de Havilland Dash 8's stop pretty quickly when they land at Plymouth. I suppose they're the modern equivalent.

    Nice vid!
     
    streuth, Jan 19, 2010
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    Like most new build proposals! (Wink wink!) We have a plate of rust and the name/numberplate from a xxxxx lets build a replica!
     
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    Though more strictly a rebuild Johnson 4-4-0 M&GN is a great midsize proposition. It only needs driving wheels conrods and frames and time. A Trust is going to govern this soon... watch for more info
     
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    ady, Jan 23, 2010
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    So you have already got the cylinders, valve gear, brake gear,horn blocks,horn ties, axleboxes,spring hangers, springs, bogie, tender and the 100,001 other bits which actually go to make the loco complete then?
     
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    Do you think building a new GWR Mogul ('43xx'/'53xx'/'63xx'/'73xx' etc.) would be silly considering two orignals already exist. It just I imagen that another one of those would be a very useful thing to have around...

    And maybe a 'Bulldog'...
     
    ady, Jan 27, 2010
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  12. ADB968008

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    West Somerset already did it.. the converted a Prarie to a 2-6-0.
    I'd imagine the number of GW 2-6-2T's in still Barry condition stand amount to them not being needed.
     
    ADB968008, Jan 27, 2010
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  13. Martin Perry

    Martin Perry Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator Friend

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    Er, you what?
     
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    There are currently IIRC two praries and one 56xx liying dormant in barry island shed (whilst I appreciate that the 56xx is a 0-6-2) which would fill the role well of small tank engines for preserved lines but haven't been snaflled which indicates to me there is little want for many more of these!

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    At the other extreme from a replica Lion if money wasn't an issue a turbomotive and new LMS coaching stock built to modern standards for 100+mph running.

    I can dream...

    Regards

    Duncan
     
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  16. martin butler

    martin butler Part of the furniture

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    a new build , well for me it would have to be a couple of SECR R1tanks and a 01 , which as it happens use a lot of the same parts, theR1 being i believe a tank version of the 01 , And i know just the railways to operate them on, KESR, EKR and the harbour line,
     
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  17. Martin Perry

    Martin Perry Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator Friend

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    Thanks for the clarification.

    I am wondering at the moment whether there really is much of a need for 'new' steam traction generally? Most of the established lines are fairly well stocked and where there are shortages it seems to be down to slow overhauls of existing locos rather than a need for more?
     
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    Well we need to think more in 50 years time, by then the BR Standards will be 100 years old, can you really continue to run steam regularly when the entire fleet is at least 100 years old? This is why we need more new builds in the coming decades.
     
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    Agree with you entirely on this Matt35027. The old engines stand a better chance of lasting another 50 years if supported by new builds to take some of the pressure. BR Standard Class 3 No 82045 is being built to fulfil this role. www.82045.org.uk.
     
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    I have this nagging dream too. Give me 4 mill and another 2 for contingencies, plus an unemployed Lizzie to take apart and put together again for making the drawings (hi there Butterley :D ) , then produce a 4-8-2 that whupps every route performance in the preservation era using only 5-foot drivers (the wheels, not the locomotive jockeys).
    Mk2 to be optimised, streamlined to look like a GTI (Gresley with Turbine Integrated), and go for 130 mph.
     
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