Non - Stop BRISTOLIAN 17/4/2010!

Its the sort of tour I dream about! ;-)

 

1. they are in the right livery, choc n cream last i looked

2. if they are restricted to load 10, once you add in water carrier, support coach and Mk1 barrier regulations, your not left with too many passenger carrying vehicles.

 

The figure of 7500 gallons is not in reference to consumption but the estimated requirement for the operation. The engine’s consumption is noted later in the document as an average 40 gallons per mile on the run between Shrewsbury & Paddington.

 

I am afraid your interpretation of the figures in the article has gone badly awry, Crewe Hall. The article does not deserve your misjudged criticism ! The tare weight of the water carrier is about 25 tons. The maximum capacity of tender and water carrier together is about 11,100 gallons, and the gross laden weight of the water carrier is then about 56 tons, as stated in the article. The tender is gravity fed (not pumped) so the water levels in tender and the two tanks will be common (on level ground). The relative proportion of water in the tender compared to the water carrier varies as the water is consumed because of the very different cross-sectional profiles of the tender and water tanks.

The quoted provision of 7500 gallons for a Bristol-Paddington run allows a generous safety margin for unscheduled delays, plus shunting moves at both ends and turning, which could for instance involve a slow trip around the Greenford loop, along with possible delays in re-filling. Typical water consumption for the King is normally between 32* and 40 gallons per mile, depending on train load and route/gradients etc. I would not expect a Castle to be much different. I would anticipate that the margins could be cut back quite a bit if you can guarantee no delays or out of course stopping/starting etc, and prompt watering at the destination.

* eg As quoted in the article: 258 miles Paddington-Yeovil Jc and back on a 330 ton load (including water carrier) at an average of 32 gallons per mile, with a fair amount of fast running and 30+ min early arrivals in both directions.

David

 

I now understand but the Mk2s will look too modern and ugly for my liking

 

But you'd be sat inside looking out?

 

Dont forget it's the loco AND stock thats coming down on the positioning train the day before, and returns the day after.
I'd be really surprised if it's not tyseley chocolate/cream coaches and a few pullmans.


If there is a water carrier involved will this have a speed impact ?, a non-stop bristolian at 45mph wont quite be the same thing

I'm thinking of doing the trip outward from Paddington and back by steam, then the positioning run sunday.

 

I somehow doubt the carrier will be anything less than 75mph complient!

That said i expect a couple of slow sections between the sprints when the schedule is known (probably the initial few miles of out Padd), FGW & NR may be pulling out all the stops to give it a good run, but it's still an incredibly busy line East of Reading.

 

cor never saw that idea coming putting in water troughs well done if it work's

(re railway mag april )


(any comments are mine and mine a lone and has nothing to do with any club railway or membership that i am a member of)

 

If thats what's been said in RM.. then I think the "April" edition may have something to do with the story.

 

what he said. The idea that Network rail would put a piece of kit in for one run with all the disruption that installing it would cause and the cost / lack of use / maintainance is quite funny!

 

Any thoughts on whether a 3 axle milk tanker could get passed for 75mph?

 

From Jan 11th ..

I wonder if RM copied my suggestion ? I'm still betting on a water wagon.

The tour is listed on first great westerns main home page..

http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/

 

I think the idea that Network Rail will lay water troughs for The Bristolian is a bit far fetched. But a three axle milk tanker.......hmmm I wonder.
I think that the suggestion in Steam Beano that this run will get "the full Bristolian treatment" is a hope that FGW will ensure that the train will be afforded a clear run in both directions.

 

Hi lad's the thought did cross my mind it may be april fools joke full marks to railway mag for coming up with this one ha ha
(ps i am only a dumb blonde)


any word's are mine and mine alone .and nothing to do with any club or membership i belong too.

 

Unbelievable! Or is it just unbelievable?

5043 ON THE NON-STOP BRISTOLIAN WILL PICK UP WATER FOM TEMPORARY TROUGHS AT GORING????

That's what it says on page 14 of this month's Railway Magazine! All the guesswork in this thread didn't come up with that one! No wonder Tyseley have been so smugly silent! It's a brilliant first for the steam preservation movement. None of us would have thought it possible in 2010, but there it is in black and white. Network Rail have approved an emergency Railway Group Standard to enable it to happen.

And yet, and yet. Remember that this is the APRIL edition of the Railway Magazine. Could it be that our old friend Nula Seer has come out of retirement with his old friend Loop Lirfa? Remember City of Truro in BR black, the first and best railway April Fool? Best until now, maybe.

Only time will tell!

Peter, on a bright but cold Manchester morning
http://pjhrailpics.fotopic.net

 

Now why would RM publish an April Fool in the first week of March? Yes I know it's the April edition.
But surely they would publish it in the first week of April, although that would be technically the May edition.
There are times when you can believe what you read in the press.
Is this one of those rare times?