Welsh Dragon 6233 Saturday 24 April 2010

The Welsh Dragon (4)6233 Saturday 24 April 2010

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These are my humble efforts. I wouldn't call them eminently forgettable shots,

http://graham-williams.fotopic.net/p64465548.html
http://graham-williams.fotopic.net/p64465412.html
http://graham-williams.fotopic.net/p64465551.html
http://graham-williams.fotopic.net/p64465553.html

 

Re: The Welsh Dragon (4)6233 Saturday 24 April 2010

Lets see them then!

 

Nothing wrong with those photos, IMHO

 

The Welsh Dragon (4)6233 Saturday 24 April 2010

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How small minded can you get - is it just because the owners won't co-operate and paint it green just for you ? Given that steam is a rarity the extension of the main line running gave a chance for just one livery change - and I think the LMS Black is sufficiently different to be worthy of acceptance. Whilst a green Duchess might be nice [ and I speak as one who helped fund the green livery of 46229 whilst on the ELR - and photographed it in murky mist ! ] I am also grateful for the chance to photograph any main line running irrespective of livery.

Looking at the results shown by posters on this thread I am surprised at the quality - given some of the adverse comments about the livery / light combinations - and glad that my own shots reflect that quality. Now I only hope to get some equally quality images on the Shap & S&C runs later this year before its main line certificate runs out.

 

Err, what he said...

AK.

 

What is it with railway photographers and step ladders, I've been stood on my own sometimes in the middle of nowhere and somebody will come and stand next to me on step ladders.
Apart from the minimal difference in pov you're introducing camera shake as well!

You could always convert them to black & white.

 

I have seen that too Stuart. I can understand it when on a bridge with a high parapet and other such places where you need some height and pretty useless for video unless there is a wall or such to brace against.

Apart from that thanks to all for posting up the vids and photos, I especially like the pacing shot by 44713 and Amy. I only got as far as Frodsham area on the M56 before I had to turn back with a busrt hose on the cooling system of my car, second one in 2 weeks. I spent most of the rest of the weekend replacing half the pipework on the car ready for next weekends trip to the K&ESR..... hwell:

BTW, I do like the look of 6233 in black, though I still have to see her in "the flesh" so to speak.. :thumb:

Neil.

 

Re: The Welsh Dragon (4)6233 Saturday 24 April 2010

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And perhaps, Mr Bredbury Junction, you might care to follow your own advice.

There are too many people who only photograph locos if they are presented in a manner that they, not the owner, wishes to see and it is this thought process that I am complaining at. Whilst much of this hobby is objective, with extremes varying from my simple pleasure at seeing any steam locomotive at work on the main line to the other extreme of the livery critics who complain because the lining goes above the line of rivets on the tender rather than below it, and some going beyond that to publicly claim that they will not photograph a particular locomotive because they disagree with the livery choice - despite the fact that "they" are a commercial organisation that should be thinking about what the market wants rather than imposing its own values on customers.
I do not intend to impress my views on others but, like many others posting on this thread, I have an opinion which I am happy to puiblish and see how many others agree / disagree with my view. That view includes expressing my opinion of those so called enthusiasts who criticise a locomotive owners choices and express their opinion on both the choices and their consequent action; that surely allows me to comment on their opinion - as I did - even if it express a contrary view.

It may be hard to understand but the truly good photographers IMHO are those who not only listen to criticism but are their own worst critics - but srtill take pictures; the unwillingness of some posters to do so simply because of livery criticisms I find truly hard to understand.

I don't expect others to agree fully with all my opinions but - as I have noted on other postings - they are based on personal experiences and preferences and therefore are equally as valid as those I comment on.

Yes, okay, you yourself claim to have 'stayed the course' and managed some acceptable results, but, hey!, “19D3326” was merely reflecting upon his own personal experiences and the pictures that he had seen on this forum – of which, to be perfectly, candid, (and despite what you say) we have all seen far better shots on the North Wales Coast route, taken on previous occasions

And it is my personal experience which I am basing my contribution on. I would suggest that before you condemn my blinkered approach you actually look at your own blinkers and not presume to understand the intonation of my posting.

 

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Re: The Welsh Dragon (4)6233 Saturday 24 April 2010

Let me understand this correctly. You offered to pay a contribution to repaint 6233 BR green, but the owners preferred LMS black. Someone associated with the group then wrote to you asking if you would like to contribute to a repaint into black? What is so galling about that? Have I missed something? Are people only allowed to like one colour? I see absolutely nothing offensive about that enquiry. You are welcome to say no. I'd have been very happy to see 6233 in green, but I'm equally happy to see it in black. I suppose you also complain when it runs with an 'over-large' Caledonian or Royal Scot headboard? Presumably you never photograph a Black 5, 8F, or any of the many other locos that 'don't show up at all well'? Yes, it was unfortunate that there was an IC liveried coach near the front of the rake again and yes conditions were not perfect for photography, but your comments just give the impression you're chucking every toy you can find out of the pram because it's not in your beloved green.

Perhaps you should follow PSOVs lead with 6100 and stay at home, then we won't have to listen to your drivel when you do go to see 6233. It's not green, if you don't like it, don't go and see / ride on it.

 

Re: The Welsh Dragon (4)6233 Saturday 24 April 2010

As you and others have mentioned before, at some length. I accept that those of you who made this proposal were upset to be turned down, but you all knew it had, at best, a 50/50 chance of being accepted. It was worth a try, but please let it go now.

BR green doesn't show up any better than black on a dull day or against the light. You need bright colours such as garter blue, malachite green, "hogwarts" red, etc to "show up well".

Those headboards are a bit too large and a bit too bright for my tastes, too, but someone clearly spends a lot of time and effort creating them, and they keep appearing on 6233, so the owners are clearly happy with them. Compared to some "period" headboards carried by special charters (football supporters', works outings, local newspaper charters, etc.), they are quite restrained and tasteful. However, to imply that they stop you from producing a good photograph is, I suggest, hyperbole.

This is not 1954, nor even 1964. It's 2010, and the fantastic, improbable, joyous fact is that steam not just survives 40+ years longer than it should have, but actually thrives on the mainline. We should celebrate what we've got, and not let our childhood memories cloud our enjoyment.

 

I would have thought that Network Rail would have some rules and regulations about step ladders on platforms! Looks very silly to me when there is so much space to share.
Are the photographs so much better?

 

It was my first time to Abergele and got there early to have a good look round before deciding on a shot on the platform with box in the background (Step ladder left at home and was first on platform). A local photographer then came and mentioned it gets rather busy, but i had no idea that it would get as busy as it did as can be seeen in the posted image. Personally i would say most of the late arrivals used ladders, but with the station being unmanned, nobody questioned them using them. Was rather funny though seeing people using ladders on a platform!!

Currently experiencing problems uploading image, but will post asap.

Cheers

 

This is my effort the of Duchess at Bunbury locks
http://www.flickr.com/photos/garstangpost/4549162772/sizes/l/

 

Re: The Welsh Dragon (4)6233 Saturday 24 April 2010

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