LSWR dining car No. 7851 MHR

Hi everyone looking on the MHR web site I see there is an update about LSWR dining car No. 7851 which has now entered C&W workshop for restoration. Can anyone tell me if there are any other LSWR dining cars in preservation?


http://www.watercressline.co.uk/mhr...Shed/Entries/2010/4/27_Arrival_at_Ropley.html


Thanks

 

Before you worry, this is me talking.

I believe swanage has an LSWR ironclad, dont know how similar this is.

Talking to the carpenter at MHR who i work with, a lot of the timberwork is rotten. Lots of work to do. Our carriage shop is getting quite busy with 2 coaches, a class 11 and a u boat tender.

The coach is now stripped down to its bare frames, all doors and panelling removed.

 

This is the only LSWR Restaurant Third to survive & is a unique and very important coach. It was however built for the SR in 1923 as a continuation of a previous LSWR order.
There are two LSWR Restaurant Composite's at the P&BR. One is in very poor order I think. There is also a LSWR Dining Saloon at MOD Bicester.
Steve

 

Not Dining cars as such Lee, however there are I think around 9 LSWR coaches in preservation of which 2 tourist opens thirds and 2 semi open brake thirds are restorable. Steve Best would be the ideal man for this information.

Maybe the beginning of a vintage train perhaps?

Regards
Chris

 

Ok Guys
This is a complete list of LSWR Passenger rated coaches I'm aware of. There will be other bodies inside bungalows I haven't established a definate origin. There are over 200 bodies in West Sussex of which some are no doubt LSWR.
Apologies for the format. A copy/paste from my DB never comes out right on any forum. Hope you can understand it!
Steve


Number Class/Type Owner/Operator Details Notes Other Number
6w Composite 5 Comp zz - Miscellaneous Locations - zz /1884 [??] b/o u/r
Brake Third ? zz - Miscellaneous Locations - zz /???? [??] b/o
?w Unknown Type zz - Miscellaneous Locations - zz /???? [??] b/o
6w Third 4 Comp AJR Birch & Son Ltd Nine Elms 1890 [247B] b/o Cut In Half
?w Unknown Type zz - Miscellaneous Locations - zz /???? [??] b/o as Holiday Home
?w Unknown Type zz - Miscellaneous Locations - zz /???? [??] b/o ½ body
10 6w State Saloon zz - Miscellaneous Locations - zz Eastleigh 1877 [??] b/o loose tarpauline sheeting 010
11 Invalid Saloon Kent & East Sussex Railway Eastleigh 1910 [43] shtd Bodiam h/s Army3117/KESR 83
17 First Open Embsay & Bolton Abbey Railway /1885 [582] (Clerestory) b/o 7805/4107
25 6w First Saloon Bluebell Railway BRCW 1885 [DB9] conv BFZ [594] std shtd b/o p/o u/f 4035 025/0905/7937
49 6w Composite 5 Comp Swanage Railway Nine Elms 1891 [55] b/o Harmans Cross 2296
70 Restaurant Composite Pontypool & Blaenavon Railway Eastleigh 1907 [40] 4132/7832/ARMY3321
72 4w Third 5 Comp zz - Miscellaneous Locations - zz Metro C&W 1881 [2570] b/o
72 Dining Saloon MOD Bicester Eastleigh 1908 [??] conv Inspection Saloon 7834/291/WGP880
74 Corridor Third Swanage Railway Eastleigh 1923 [24c] (Ironclad) DS70011/728S
75 4w Third zz - Miscellaneous Locations - zz /1881 [??] b/o 075
76 Restaurant Composite Pontypool & Blaenavon Railway Eastleigh 1907 [42] u/r 4138/7838/ARMY3019
100 6w Third 6 Comp zz - Miscellaneous Locations - zz BRCW 1884 [DB66] b/o
126 4w Family Saloon zz - Miscellaneous Locations - zz Metro C&W 1876 [??] b/o u/r
353 Third Isle Of Wight Steam Railway Lancing 1935 "[??] u/f/o conv ""Britannia"" rail carrier" DS70000
465 ?w Brake Composite Unknown /???? [??] b/o ex Oath Lock, near Langport DS710
494 Corridor Third Bluebell Railway Eastleigh 1911 [14] std 39/673
733 ?w Saloon Swanage Railway /???? [??] 12ft Sect Body Guesthouse Garden SZ 023790
748 Corridor Third Coventry Railway Centre Eastleigh 1924 [24] (Ironclad) conv Tool Van DS229
752 Corridor Third Isle Of Wight Steam Railway Eastleigh 1924 [24] (Ironclad) b/o Havenstreet Shed DS70014
773 Corridor Third Horsebridge Station Eastleigh 1921 [24b] (Ironclad) Overflow Guest Accom 717S/ADS226
847 Composite 7 Comp NRM York Eastleigh 1903 [69] (Lavatory) 6474/3598
911 6w Composite 4 Comp Swanage Railway Nine Elms 1890 [9] b/o Bank Nr Loco Shed 0695
959 Composite 7 Comp Kent & East Sussex Railway Eastleigh 1907 [69] (Lavatory) shtd Bodiam h/s 31/5065/KESR 62
1282 Corridor Brake Third Mangapps Railway Museum Eastleigh 1921 [24c] (Ironclad) as ticket office/shop DS179/3187
1288 Third Bluebell Railway Eastleigh 1900 [19] (Lavatory) std 288
1353 Corridor Brake Third Mid Hants Railway Eastleigh 1923 [24c] (Ironclad) std Meon Siding DS70016
1357 Corridor Brake Third Pontypool & Blaenavon Railway Eastleigh 1923 [24c] (Ironclad) conv BTU DS70133/3193
1512 6w Second 5 Comp Swanage Railway Eastleigh 1891 [7] b/o Swanage Yard 5440/56
1520 Brake Third Bluebell Railway Eastleigh 1910 [16] (Lavatory) op DS1119/2975
3104 Composite Ecclesbourne Valley Railway Eastleigh 1904 [??] (Lavatory) u/f/o Crane Runner DS3104
3204 Corridor Brake Third South Devon Railway Eastleigh 1925 [24c] (Ironclad) u/f/o carries b/o GWR 250 DS70085
4151 Restaurant Third Mid Hants Railway Eastleigh 1923 [592] u/r Ropley Carriage Shed DS625/7851
4668 Composite Kent & East Sussex Railway Eastleigh 1900 [??] (Lavatory) u/f/o Runner for DS451 DS70003/KESR 134

Alternatively visit...
http://www.uklocos.com/preservedrailwaystocklist/index.asp Then enter....

Search Field 1 - Select 'Heading' then type - Pre Group Passenger Coaching Stock
Search Field 2 - Select 'Origin' then type - LSWR
Click 'Search Database' - This will list them all in County/Location order.

 

Thanks Bestieboy of the information.

 

Good luck and well done to the team who have taken this unique vehicle on. The images indicate there is a long journey to return this coach to service - but I'm sure it'll be far more interesting than just another mk1 rebuild when it's finished.

 

only 2 working full time on this one. The carpenter and his apprentice and whatever volunteers turn up.

 

This seems to be a good place to add this info to. LMS (Inspection Saloon) M45045M has now returned to the MHR

 

Cheers. I'll move this on my lists. Is this now staying at the MHR?
Steve

 

This is Queen Victoria's Saloon. Hopefully work will start fairly soon on this one too!

 

Good to see a further vehicle going undercover:-

http://www.watercressline.co.uk/mhr...d/Entries/2010/5/3_Maunsell_Coach_S_7851.html

 

Yes it is good to see restoration work start on this vehicle. One of the members of the Mid-Hants Wagon Group, Ian Johnson has , has offered his services to this project. With 25 years of experiance in vintage carriage restoration both at the Bluebell and Didcot, Ian,s expertise will make this vehicle one of the best in preservation.

Regards
Chris

 

Chris

What are the current status' of LSWR No. 1353 and SR No. 4367? The Vintage Carriage Survey seems to indicate the Ironclad is stored and the Bulleid is undergoing a long term re-build (given the mods to the brake end I don't think it can be classed as a basic restoration!). Is this the case?

Many thanks

 

Hi Stewie:

All vehicles are owned by the Vintage Carriage Group. As you are proberbly aware 7851 is being funded by the HLF and the next vehicle to be restored reapaired will be the operational Bullied, (now looking tired), followed by 4367. I understand that the funding will come from Mid-Hants LTD for the last two. 1353 is thinking too far ahead at the present time.

The Mid-Hants has always been well known for it,s engineering skills , but has always lacked the skills for C&W restoration which is now being addressed now that we have the undercover facilities under the leadership of John Wright who also works as a volunteer on our Black Five and drives mainline on "Bittern". The wagon group has given him our full co-operation and assistance , and gazing into my crystal ball I can foresee the two departments merging into one once we have enough Brake Vans and wagons operational.

Does this help at all?

Regards
Chris

 

That's great thanks.

 

now mainine driving and black 5 work is something john wright has never told me about himself.

He is great though, full of railway stories.

Just make sure if you do pop down to work on the coach, bring your own chair if u want to stay in that messroom, the messroom is too overcrowded.