71000 DoG on the Lickey Incline

Re: 60163 TORNADO on the Lickey Incline

Any provisional times yet? I was guessing the duke to be coming through bromsgrove about. 6ish?

 

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Agreed. The 1/36 is very short, although around it are 46/49/44 etc. But what I was really wondering was how much extra drag the constant reverse curves make.

 

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It would need to be a bit earlier than that if it's going to get back to London Victoria by 21.05 as shown, provisionally, on the UK Railtours website.

By the way, are we sure about it not have a diesel on the back? When a tour up the Lickey with Tornado was first mooted (by Past-Time Rail, I think), it was certainly suggested that the load would be limited to avoid the need for a banker, but some time ago I was told that the load was now such that there was never any question of Tornado (and therefore, presumably, 71000) going up unassisted.

 

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Are platform tickets available at Victoria?

Cheers
JIM

 

Re: 60163 TORNADO on the Lickey Incline

Im at work, and would take me an hour to get to bromsgrove, I dnt think network rail would put 71000 on that route. During rush hour. 1740 is a gd path that has been used by steam tours recently

 

Re: 60163 TORNADO on the Lickey Incline

Stephen, railtours are run for the benefit of the passengers and not for the benefit of linesiders, despite what many of the latter may wish. :behindsofa:

As a pax on this I'm already expecting a 20 hour plus day as it is, including time to get to London and back home (0530 train in morning, back home around 0100 next day) hwell:

:sorry: if you miss it because you're working, but that's life I'm afraid. :smile:


Dave B

 

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Comments like that do so make me wish I could face up to going back to Germany! Not that I disagree with the comment, the trains here are run for the passengers and not linesiders.

But in Germany a number of main line steam tours are promoted by the "Club" who own/have custody of the loco. Train and loco also largely crewed by Club members, who also do a lot of the day to day maintenance etc. So the trips were run for the benefit of the Club members as a whole, on or off the train. We just had to get a lot of other passengers to fill up the 2nd coach and other coaches back from the loco to pay for the day out!

So we'd enjoy the lovely noise of the loco from the front coach, keeping in touch with other Club members who had chosen to lineside that day. Just one or two of whom would be in touch with the loco crew by text to get smoke at the right places, (always done safely of course when the loco was on a slow section or stopped somewhere). The on train club members, crews (where possible), plus some of those who had been linesiding would meet up for an extended lunch at our destination. We didn't go to the flower shows etc which the normal passengers had been given special tickets for!

Yes I know it's all different over here and I have to get used to it if I want to stay part of the UK steam scene again. I see it as a much harsher situation here, with "us and them", situations obvious over so many aspects. Although I wonder now if the recent 6024 run had that sort of club atmosphere about it?

 

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But woe betide the guy who hasn't paid and gets out his camera for a phot. I know what you're saying Martin but I can also see what Bryan is getting at. There does seem to be much more of an "us and them" situation in the UK than there is in Germany.

Rgds
Ian

 

Re: 60163 TORNADO on the Lickey Incline

Actual departure time from GLOUCESTER is 1411hrs. Train is at Gloucester from 1212 - 1411. Return is now to Waterloo arr 2139 not Victoria. Thats all I have at the moment.

 

Re: 60163 TORNADO on the Lickey Incline

Or even...

London Victoria depart 08.45
Gloucester arrive 12.12 depart 14.11
London Waterloo arrve 21.39

Will it need water in Spetchley Loop when it's only come from Gloucester? I doubt whether Tornado would have needed it, but the Duke tends to be a bit more thirsty, and it probably all depends on where the next water stop is.

 

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excellent! not as far to walk from the Hospital in fact might even see it from the window if the weather is bad
Can you get Platform tickets at Waterloo?

cheers
JIM

 

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Does anyone have the times for when this tour reaches Harringworth / Corby / Kettering?

Thanks

 

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When steam rarely comes to our neck of the woods, they allways fill up at Kettering, and can possibly pull into the Humberstone Road loop just north of the station at Leicester beforehand.

 

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Uk Railtours said when I booked--Water at Kettering

 

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Can we get into London Waterloo without a diesel on the back?, I thought that the signalling layout made it obligatory, although if the train is load 9 it should be a fair way down the platform, well clear of the signal.

 

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where did the person here on the forum get his information from about the load for 71000 duke of gloucester,i.e. load 9!!? i question this as a friend of mine spoke to the tour company today,tuesday,and was told the load would be twelve or thirteen coaches plus a class 67 diesel on the rear!

 

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I think it is Platform 19 that has the calling on signal problem. With shorter trains, I am told loco plus 11 cars, it is possible to use platform 16 which presumably has the necessary signalling to allow a box to turn up to pull the train out backwards.

Others here will know whether what I am saying is correct. Or if it's just rubbish talk!

But if the load is 12 - 13 cars then my understanding is that the train will have to use Platform 19, and will therefore have to have a box on the back, as reported very recently on this Forum. Which makes this another tour I was thinking about making a late booking on that I will now sit out at home! Or rather work out in my local "hill" woods as I continue trying to get my overweight and reluctant body ready for another winter of fear and excitement in the Snowdonian mountains.