Manxman

From what I have heard today Pallion now seem intent on breaking her and are not listening to any appeals to bide Manxman anymore time.

Manxman needs a buyer with cash now (and of course somewhere to berth her)

All very sad.

Stan

 

It's all gone very quiet again - has anyone heard any news?

 

Yeah, rumour mill suggest next shipment of gilette's products arriving soon!

m0rris

 

f*ck me, you're funny

 

Yes, I was thinking the same thing!

Lets hope the rumour mill is wrong and this important piece of maritime history is somehow saved for future generations.

There has been enough heart break and anguish at the loss of Lincoln Castle, lets have some good news for a change.

Stan

 

Yeah well, the last news was that they had cut a huge hole in the side in order to remove asbestos and on an old girl like that the damage will be such that she is unlikely to have much of a future with none of it afloat. As much as I would love to see the manxman return to her former glory, it isnt going to happen.

m0rris

 

m0rris,

Get off this forum and don't come back.

Alan

 

Lets keep it civil please. Thanks.

 

Ditto -

 

+1

Moving on, whilst Im going on heresay and rumours, if anyone has genuine photographic/first hand proof Im sure it'd be much appreciated by all of us!

m0rris

 

With all due respect - cutting a large hole in its side (we refer to it as a 'door' ) is a perfectly normal way of gaining access to the internals of a ship in a yard if regular access is needed, or large items of machinery are to be removed/replaced - on completion of work, it's simply welded back into place. Been there, done that...

So, it's not a total confirmation that Manxman is now beyond redemption, although obviously it could be that this has been done to control access to what is now a 'hazardous area' because of the asbestos being disturbed.

There doesn't seem to be any new information to hand at present on local websites, unfortunately.

 

Quite so, Martin. The 'interesting' bit comes when someone from the ship's staff has got to stand on the staging outside, after the 'electric glue' has been applied, & witness the vacuum box testing of the welds - not always a good experience if it's 'at height'

 

Well at least that means it is not all doom and gloom... For those of you with marine knowledge is the asbestos likely to be throughout the entire vessel or limited to certain regions, and consequently hwo badly dmaging would removal be to the ship?

m0rris

 

Manxman is a steamship - it's likely that her steam and boiler feed water pipes at least are lagged with asbestos; also probably the boilers are lagged with it too. In addition, given her age, there is a high chance that there will be sheets of asbestos within the accommodation, in much the same way as Mark 1 coaches are/were insulated. Bear in mind, though, that asbestos only becomes a big problem if it's disturbed, and fibres start breaking loose.

Removal isn't technically difficult, but takes time and costs money, and can only be done by approved contractors. 'Damage' to the ship is really only the disturbing/replacement of cladding - damage to the owners' pocket is, however, a different matter...

 

I should guess that Manxman is full of the stuff and as soon as its gone Manxmans fate will be sadly sealed.

Lets just hope salvation comes.

Stan

 

It's a fact that you cannot scrap a ship in the EU until the asbestos is removed. Quite frequently, the cost of removal exceeds the scrap value of the vessel. This is why so many ended up being scrapped in Turkey then India and now Pakistan and Bangladesh. As each country gets its asbestos handling law together the scrapping moves elsewhere .

Sooner or later, these countries wake up to the dangers.

 

This is true, John. Of course, there's the specialist yard on Teesside that can handle all this now...

 

Here is a picture from the dock floor of the hole in the Manxman port side. No onboard access took place, and i have no idea what all that piping is i'm afraid. Hope this is still of use.

 

At least the old girl is still intact so there still hope yet.

Stan