Mid Hants Wagon group update.

I’ve been looking on the Mid Hants Railway web site today and I see the wagon group from Medstead & FourMarks have put another update on their web page. Looking at their web page the BR brake van is more or less complete. Can’t be to long before this brake van enters traffic. I also see the group have started work on a pipe wagon. Does anyone know how many of these wagons still exist because I can’t remember see any other examples on any other preserved lines?

http://www.watercressline.co.uk/News/Wagon


Thanks

 

The MHR are doing a fine job on the wagon fleet and I enjoy Chris' emails on progress.
There's still a lot of the BR built 'Pipes' about. Notable is 484199 as this is the only survivor of a batch of 50 to this lot and out of number sequence to the rest. 740606 is also the only Cambrian built survivor.
Steve

Number Origin Class/Type Owner/Operator Details Notes Other Number
484199 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Lavender Line Wolverton 1957 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) '92946'
740044 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Swanage Railway Derby 1949 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft)
740065 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open East Somerset Railway Derby 1949 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft) Fitted Canopy
740080 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Saughtree Station Derby 1949 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft)
740084 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Saughtree Station Derby 1949 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft)
740135 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway Derby 1949 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft)
740140 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Churnet Valley Railway Derby 1949 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft) planking removed
740224 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway Derby 1949 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft)
740232 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Isle Of Wight Steam Railway Derby 1949 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft) u/f/o RNAD2/083511
740255 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Eden Valley Railway Derby 1949 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft)
740407 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Tanfield Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/461] ('Pipefit' 21ft)
740418 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Foxfield Railway Darlington 1949 [1/461] ('Pipefit' 21ft)
740481 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open North Norfolk Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/461] ('Pipefit' 21ft) u/f/o carries b/o M&GN 12
740562 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Paignton & Dartmouth Railway Darlington 1949 [1/461] ('Pipefit' 21ft)
740606 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Laira TMD Cambrian 1951 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft) Still Here ?
740654 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Great Central Railway Swindon 1952 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft)
740664 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Swindon & Cricklade Railway Swindon 1952 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft) ex ISTIL 23B
740676 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Foxfield Railway Swindon 1952 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft)
740699 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Peak Rail Swindon 1952 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft) op (187825)
740700 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open East Somerset Railway Wolverton 1953 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft)
740883 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Llangollen Railway Wolverton 1953 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft) conv Flatbed RNAD3/083509
740918 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open North Norfolk Railway Wolverton 1954 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft)
740928 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Dolgarrog Railway Society Wolverton 1954 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft) std
740971 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Churnet Valley Railway Wolverton 1954 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft)
741098 BR 13t 4w 5pl Open Titley Junction Station Wolverton 1954 [1/460] ('Pipe' 21ft)
741157 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Isle Of Wight Steam Railway Wolverton 1955 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) u/f/o RNAD12
741161 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Chasewater Railway Wolverton 1955 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft)
741213 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Peak Rail Wolverton 1955 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) op (187826)
741251 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Stainmore Railway Wolverton 1955 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft)
741271 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Eden Valley Railway Wolverton 1955 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft)
741291 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Spa Valley Railway Wolverton 1955 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft)
741360 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open A.P.Webb Training School, Wolverton 1955 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) 025022
741381 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Bluebell Railway Wolverton 1955 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) op
741382 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Isle Of Wight Steam Railway Wolverton 1955 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) u/f/o RNAD15
741574 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open South Devon Railway Wolverton 1956 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft)
741583 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Didcot Railway Centre Wolverton 1957 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) conv 3pl Beam Wagon
741620 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open North Yorkshire Moors Railway Wolverton 1956 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) Demo Train Goathland
741631 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Llangollen Railway Wolverton 1956 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) conv Flatbed RNAD1/083512
741715 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Foxfield Railway Wolverton 1956 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) u/f/o
741748 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Mid Norfolk Railway Wolverton 1961 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft)
741751 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Mid Hants Railway Wolverton 1961 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft)std RNAD9
741764 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Mid Hants Railway Wolverton 1961 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) std RNAD8
741878 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Northampton & Lamport Railway Wolverton 1961 "[1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) ""SGILES Coal""" 113008
741895 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Kent & East Sussex Railway Wolverton 1961 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) KESR171
741901 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Avon Valley Railway Wolverton 1961 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) flatbed car steam cab
741934 BR 12t 4w 5pl Open Isle Of Wight Steam Railway Wolverton 1961 [1/462] ('Pipefit' 21ft) u/f/o RNAD16

 

Erm, I hate to say this Steve and Lee, but it is a "Tube" wagon.

So could the question be asked again of just how many "Tube wagons are preserved?

Best regards
Chris

 

Ahh, should have checked it was a 'pipe' Lee was referring to!
The 'tubes' do have several pre nat examples surviving. Not included below are a few GWR open C's as most of these were not classed as Tubes although many were used for this purpose. I'll start with a few coach bodies with tube under frames.
Steve

Number Origin Class/Type Owner/Operator Details Notes Other Number
97 MR 4w First 4 Comp Riverside Snack Bar Derby 1897 [??] b/o u/f LMS Tube 25401
129 GNR 6w Third 5 Comp North Norfolk Railway Doncaster 1887 [245] op b/o u/f Tube B732930 MGNJR I/d
424 GER 6w Third 6 Comp Mid Suffolk Railway Stratford 1892 [404] b/o p/o u/f ex Tube u/r conv SZ 771 LNER6939
2540 GWR 6w Third Picnic Saloon South Devon Railway Swindon 1896 [G20] b/o u/f LNER 5pl Tube 301577 Cam 1947 [098] 9346

Number Origin Class/Type Owner/Operator Details Notes Other Number
20A LMS 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Peak Rail /???? [D1675] ('Tube') ex Chesterfield Cylinders I/d
336550 LMS 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Great Central Railway Wolverton 1933 [D1675] ('Tube')
492136 LMS 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Great Northern & East Lincolnshire Railway Wolverton 1938 [D1945] ('Tube')
492187 LMS 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Rushden Historical Transport Society Wolverton 1938 [D1945] ('Tube')
497387 LMS 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Caledonian Railway Derby 1936 [D1924] ('Tube') conv crane runner for DR81367
499227 LMS 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Northampton & Lamport Railway Chas Roberts 1936 [D1675] ('Tube') 024228
499254 LMS 20t 4w 5pl Long Open NRM Locomotion Chas Roberts 1936 [D1675] ('Tube')
499611 LMS 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Midland Railway Centre Wolverton 1937 [D1945] ('Tube') ex Chesterfield Cylinders 21A/(W34)
499661 LMS 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Unknown Wolverton 1937 [D1675] ('Tube') Fictitious No 17A
499852 LMS 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Moveright International Wolverton 1937 [D1945] ('Tube') 024223

Number Origin Class/Type Owner/Operator Details Notes Other Number
181358 LNER 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Churnet Valley Railway Dukinfield 1935 [098] ('Tube') No Sides
301568 LNER 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Nottingham Heritage Centre Cambrian 1947 [098] ('Tube')
301580 LNER 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Chasewater Railway Cambrian 1947 [098] ('Tube')
301588 LNER 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Great Central Railway Cambrian 1947 [098] ('Tube') (Un)
301594 LNER 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway Cambrian 1947 [098] ('Tube')
301595 LNER 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Colne Valley Railway Cambrian 1947 [098] ('Tube')
301596 LNER 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Battlefield Line Cambrian 1947 [098] ('Tube')
301597 LNER 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Nottingham Heritage Centre Cambrian 1947 [098] ('Tube')

Number Origin Class/Type Owner/Operator Details Notes Other Number
BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Blennerhasset Watermill /???? [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends) u/f/o off site
730006 BR 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Mid Norfolk Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/445] ('Tube' LNER Design)
730090 BR 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/445] ('Tube' LNER Design)
730093 BR 20t 4w 5pl Long Open East Somerset Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/445] ('Tube' LNER Design)
730189 BR 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Eden Valley Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/445] ('Tube' LNER Design)
730242 BR 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Kent & East Sussex Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/445] ('Tube' LNER Design) KESR169
730305 BR 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Chinnor & Princes Risborough Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/445] ('Tube' LNER Design)
730311 BR 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/445] ('Tube' LNER Design)
730321 BR 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Paignton & Dartmouth Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/445] ('Tube' LNER Design)
730339 BR 20t 4w 5pl Long Open East Somerset Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/445] ('Tube' LNER Design)
730386 BR 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Dean Forest Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/445] ('Tube' LNER Design)
730450 BR 20t 4w 5pl Long Open Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway Faverdale 1949 [1/445] ('Tube' LNER Design)
730579 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Ecclesbourne Valley Railway Derby 1960 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
730738 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Bressingham Steam Museum Derby 1960 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
730821 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Mid Hants Railway Derby 1960 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends) std 024522
731622 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Titley Junction Station Faverdale 1954 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
731708 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Buckinghamshire Railway Centre Faverdale 1954 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
731779 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Laira TMD Faverdale 1954 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends) Still Here ?
731997 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Laira TMD Faverdale 1954 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends) Still Here ?
732012 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Wymondham Station Faverdale 1954 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
732018 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Swanage Railway Faverdale 1954 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
732027 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Swanage Railway Faverdale 1954 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
732109 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Laira TMD Faverdale 1955 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends) Still Here ?
732180 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Swanage Railway Faverdale 1955 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
732205 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open East Anglia Railway Museum Faverdale 1955 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends) ex I/u Wln Works 025013
732234 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Swanage Railway Faverdale 1955 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends) Runner for ??
732251 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Llangollen Railway Faverdale 1955 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
732296 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway Faverdale 1955 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
732357 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Great Central Railway Faverdale 1955 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
732607 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open East Lancashire Railway Faverdale 1956 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
732744 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Chasewater Railway Faverdale 1956 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
732825 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway Faverdale 1956 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
732837 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open East Lancashire Railway Faverdale 1956 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
732887 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Keighley & Worth Valley Railway Faverdale 1956 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
732964 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Wensleydale Railway Faverdale 1956 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends) WR1115
733021 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway Faverdale 1956 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
733027 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway Faverdale 1956 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
733063 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Titley Junction Station Faverdale 1959 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
733150 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Avon Valley Railway Faverdale 1959 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
733221 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Barrow Hill Faverdale 1959 [1/449] ('Tube' Cont'l 32' Cor Ends) 21.70.6094.041-8
733421 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway Derby 1962 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)
73xxxx BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Mid Suffolk Railway /???? [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends) u/f/o carries 9050
73xxxx BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Mid Suffolk Railway /???? [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends) u/f/o b/o GER 424

 

Wow , so there are quite a few then?

Steve, so many thanks for the information.

Kind regards
Chris:

 

B733421 is not at the G/WR. Possibly a misidentification of B733021?

 

I've now removed this Phil.
The two entries on VCT are both photo's from yourself and on closer inspection are the same wagon. I'll remove '421' from the VCT as well.
Cheers
Steve

 

An additional 'Tube' which I had up as a LMS brake van! Hmm?

Number Origin Class/Type Owner/Operator Liv Details Notes
731695 BR 22t 4w 5pl Long Open Titley Junction Station BX Faverdale 1954 [1/448] ('Tube' 32ft Cor Ends)

 

Hi Chris have you any updates on the wagons?

Cheers

Lee

 

There will be this week Lee as you are putting in the new floor to the Tube and hanging the doors on the SECR PMV.

Once these are complete there will be much rapid progress as much work has been carried out behind the scenes and under cover due to the recent rain we have had.

watch this space.

Regards
Chris:

 

I popped in to M&4M this weekend and had a look around the Wagons. Looking at the PMV its coming on at a rapid pace. There are also A few new members at Medstead & Four Marks. There must be over twenty members of the M&4M wagon group now? Maybe Chris (Coal Wagon) could put an update on this thread about what is happening.

Ps Great to see the Wagon group got around of applause at the AGM

:thumb:

 

The MHR freight train will be running on the following dates next year.

27th Feb
8th May
3rd July
18th Sept

http://www.watercressline.co.uk/Events

 

Actually Lee there are 25 of us , but yes the wagon group is growing in numbers.

PMV s1995 is part of a batch ordered by the the South East and Chatham Railway before the Grouping , however it was not built until 1924 ?, (I think), by the Southern Railway. Withdrawn into departmental service in 1949, it came to the fledgling Mid-Hants in the mid 1970,s with two sets of the double doors boarded up, partitions down the middle , windows cut into the ends and a rotten floor. I understand that very little was done to it before we got hold of it 2 years ago where we stripped to to the bare frames ,(apart from the roof which was sound).Some framework repairs were done before new doors, floor and cladding were installed to original spec apart from the Southern Railway door ironmongery which was salvaged from our friends on the IOW Steam Railway. Not only will it run in the service trains from time to time but we also intend to turn this into an Exhibition Van.

Other projects ongoing are a Tube wagon halfway though the restoration and a 4 wheel van that we are converting into a meat van painted white.

Future projects entail the two S R Brake vans having the interiors re-furbished,( a nice winter job), and a shoc open, (almost a basket case) though we are on the lookout for a Cattle Wagon and a Queen Mary if someone has one to sell though with the former we might built one from scratch on an extended under frame.

Kind regards
Chris:

 

did'nt the mid hants restore a pal van in the last 18 months? our loco group has an identical one and wondered if you had any drawings or advice you could impart to us as we will be restoring ours next year?

 

Actually we have restored two in the last 18 months.

Drawings I cannot help you with though the usual items that go are the doors and the roof, so what advice can I offer you?

Regards
Chris

 

This seems the best place to put this. There is only one space remaining on the Freight train course with 31806.

http://www.watercressline.co.uk/News/Latest/View/301

 

Found this on the MHR web site today. A link to Youtube of the Freight charter with 45379 from last weekend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuNrYlKDBqI

 

45379 Goods and Crane Charter 13th Nov 2010.

I have added a few shots from the excellent(apart from the weather) Matt and Warwick run charter with 45379.
Great work by the crews concerned ,The Goods train with all the avaliable wagons apart from the Yellow Presflow (requested NOT to be included).Well done guys the pall vans and new wagons looked a treat.
Later in the day we used the Bosses pride and joy the Ex Exmouth Jct 45 tone steam crane . That does sterling work all over the line when needed.
So please have a look at the pictures and if your interested heres the link to that days efforts. Vezi atașament 1951 Vezi atașament 1952 Vezi atașament 1953 Vezi atașament 1954 Vezi atașament 1955
http://lineside.photos.preserved.fotopic.net/c1916048.html

 

Re: 45379 Goods and Crane Charter 13th Nov 2010.

Fantastic video and great pictures - thanks for sharing

 

ah right not to worry then. sorry not been in touch for ages, forgotten i'd made this post. just wondering what sort of costs you'd had and where problem areas were. ours is mainly on four corners of the roof with some bodyside wear.