Pullman Coaches

I am helping a cousin to sort out her late husband,s estate. There are some mats with the Pullman insignia on and would probably be from the 1940, 1950,s era Pullman coaches. Anyone any idea where they would be from viz: location on coach? I,ve had a look on various sites but drawn a blank. Any assistance would be most appreciated.

 

Any chance of a picture

 

I'm in Halifax...............the mats are about 140 miles away.........damn never thought about that........should be visiting again shortly......many thanks for response

 

It might be getting in touch with the Pullman Society. http://www.thepullmansociety.org.uk/

I know the website doesn't look like too much, but they really know their stuff when it comes to Pullmans. Might be worth sending a picture of them over to them as they would more than likely know. Or at least someone in the society management would have a suitable reference book to work out where they're from..

 

If they are 'door matish' in size probably from the coach vestibules. It's the only place in the coaches that I can recollect mats being.

 

Many thanks one and all it is much appreciated

 

This thread being entitled 'Pullman Coaches', I thought that I would rejuvenate it for my question rather than duplicate threads unnecessarily. Incidentally Osprey, did you ever get an ending to your Pullman mat story?

I am looking for a 'definitive' book on Pullmans - tricky, I know. Basically, I'd like a detailed history of all the British Pullman cars, in part to pursue my interest and in part to be able to recreate utilising the exquisite Hornby models authentic representations of the Bournemouth and Devon Belles.

I appreciate that I will need further research to recreate the trains mentioned above.

 

Not sure if the Pullman Profile series will be of help but I know Craig painted the illustration on the cover of the Pullman Profile No. 3 book !
PULLMAN PROFILE No. 3 The All-Steel 'K-Type' Cars

 

Have you tried "Southern Titled Trains" by DW Winkworth, ISBN 0 7153 9179 8 from your favoured second hand bookseller?

Devon Belle

Winkworth gives the following formations for the inaugaral season:

Train 1 (first four carriages for Plymouth; remainder for Ilfracombe):

Locomotive (generally a MN East of Exeter, a WC/BB West of Exeter on each portion with an N class banking either way over the hill to Ilfracombe)
3rd Parlour 36
1st Kitchen Iolanthe
3rd Kitchen 61
3rd Brake 55
1st Parlour Minerva
1st Kitchen Cynthia
1st Kitchen Fingall
3rd Parlour 35
3rd Kitchen 169
3rd Kitchen 60
3rd Brake 65
Observation car 14

Train 2
Locomotive
3rd Parlour 208
1st Kitchen Argus
3rd Kitchen 33
3rd Brake 54
1st Parlour Princess Elizabeth
1st Kitchen Rosamund
1st Kitchen Geraldine
3rd Parlour 34
3rd Kitchen 249
3rd Kitchen 32
3rd Brake 27
Observation car 13

Additional or substitute cars could be taken from the Pullman pool as required. By August 1947 the Ilfracombe portion was running to 10 cars, meaning 14 east of Exeter: somewhere well over 550 tons behind a Merchant Navy - I would have liked to see that taken unassisted over Honiton bank!

Bournemouth Belle

The Bournemouth Belle is more complex, as befits a train that had a longer life. But typical formations given by Winkworth include:

First train: Flora / Montana / Aurelia / 40 / 41 / 60 / 81 / 82 / 83 / 84 behind locomotive E780 Sir Persant. Not sure of the order.

First post-war train: Philomel / Lydia / Rosemary / 94 / 95 / 31 / 32 / 34 / 35 / 60 behind 21C18 British India Line. Interesting to note that cars 32, 34, 35 and 60 were soon off to take their place in the Devon Belle!

Winter 1952 (in order):
3rd Brake 95
3rd Parlour 96
1st Kitchen Sorrento
1st Parlour Sunbeam
1st Kitchen Hibernia
1st Parlour Glencoe
3rd Parlour 98
3rd kitchen 47
3rd Kitchen 7
3rd Kitchen 45
3rd Brake 94

All except Sorrento were 12 wheelers. The load is 439 tons.

Summer 1958:

2nd Brake 41
2nd Parlour 98
1st Kitchen Rosalind
1st Parlour Sunbeam
1st Kitchen Hibernia
1st Parlour Topaz
2nd Parlour 96
2nd Kitchen 17
2nd Kitchen 45
2nd Parlour 294
2nd Kitchen 47
2nd Brake 95

Again, Topaz was an eight wheeler; all the others were 12 wheelers. This load is 485 tons.

Hope this helps!

Tom

 

Thank you for the information. I do have a copy of Winkworth's work but I believe it is currently in the shed - fortunately the new bookcases are up and just waiting a free weekend for them to be populated!