Mallard to visit Germany

So are you saying these items came by rail or am I getting the wrong end of the stick? I thought they came by road, in which case what has the overhead wires on the ECML got to do with it?

 

Ah. If you've been to the NRM(seems that you may not have been), you will have noticed(possibly) that there is a height restriction of 12' 6" and 11'-6" by road to the museum. Therefore, the locos go by road as far as the carriage works(Thrall - if it still is) on Holgate road. Then by rail to the museum.

 

Have been to the NRM many times but always on foot from the station so have never taken note of vehicular height restrictions. Thanks for the explanation.

 

..... and demolished a ground signal in the yard if my memory serves me correctly.......

 

surely the thing could come in by road?

 

A German 05 is 14' 7".

 

ah. it wouldn't be worth it to maybe remove the wheels or something to get it under the barrier then.....

 

The barrier, as you call it, is Leeman Road Tunnel.

 

School holidays not over yet?

 

Why not have something a bit lower and work-a-day visit? I know that in the late 19th/early 20th centuries German locomotives were as standard fitted with chimneys with a removable top section for running on the lower loading gauge in France and the low countries, so perhaps say a Prussian P 4-6-0?

Alternatively an Ol49, to tell the story of Wolsztyn.

 

A ty2 would tell the story better, it was the begining of Wolsztyn in preservation (and probably it's end).. ol49's are relative new comers (just because they were the last operational elsewhere and transferred to Wolsztyn and today are quite popular, lots of them for spares and thus cheaper to run).
A BR52 Kreiglok (which a ty2 is) tells a major world war 2 story, the most mass produced (5500+) and widely dispersed locomotive type, and last in actual service still today in Europe (Bosnia) and is a direct comparison against our own 8F / WD counterparts and probably influenced the WD 2-10-0 and 9F to a point.
and there is one for for sale.. in Nene Valley for a few years now (I believe for only 30k)..something Ive thought about several times. (and approx 300 others scattered worldwide ranging from Still in operational service, to preserved operational thru to scrap condition).
The only reason ty2 finished at Wolsztyn was a debate about overhauling freight engines, when PKP Cargo wanted rid of the stigma of being a steam hauled freight operator in a modern EU (Poland joined May 2003). (And so it ended in November 2002 with ty45-379 being the last steam freight locomotive in revenue service in Poland)

 

Ty2 7173 (and its spare boiler) left the NVR a few weeks back (for Belgium I believe, I have heard 'for spares' although this is unconfirmed). It has been cosmetically tidied up at its new home however.

Playing devil's advocate here, how many people would actually make a special visit to see a 'foreign' engine in steam in the UK? It's a shame, but I suspect not many...

 

Its quite surprising were letting national treasures like Mallard leave our shores even for a visit, hope they have her well insured - god forbid something happened to the ship carrying her!

 

A long shot I know but; I understand the streak is setting sail in June sometime. Does anyone know what the intended date of departure from Shilden will be? We are holidaying in Yorkshire from mid June and my son who is 3 is looking forward to seeing his favourite loco so was hoping that the move will be later rather than sooner.

 

In most cases no, but for this thing would take a trip to see even if it wasnt in steam.
I think the NRM is also missing something of interest by not having something significant from the USA or France steamwise...but it is pretty stuffed as it is.
WLTS a Kreigslok on loan in an exhibition with a Dub dee, an S160 , a 'Churchill'(8f) etc...

 

Isn't there still a 52 in this country in the form of 52 5865 ex Norway at Bressingham?

 

Sorry it was the Streamliner i was talking about, but i would be happy to have a poke round Bressingham one of these days also...

 

But it is the NATIONAL Railway Museum, not International........

 

I have heard she is leaving Shildon at the end of this month which is a shame as I am there first weekend of June with my model railway and was hoping to pose my Mallard model on the real engine.

 

So ?

The Canadian NRM has an A4, the only connection with Canada being the engines name.

Arguably, as the inventors of the railway, propogators of technology worldwide we have a higher duty to tell the story of steam in a more global context.
it's not as if the NRM should have one from every country, but a selection of achievements world wide shows a greater global knowledge and makes for a much more interesting musuem.

A BR52 will have been driven by far more british citizens, who will have far more association to the class via the army in and post war, than say the Japanese Bullet train.

if you want other comparisons...

The Air Museum in Seattle with Concorde, and Boeing has an Airbus A320.
The National US Air museum in Washington has many worldwide examples from all over the world.... as inventors of aviation this shows great respect to technology world wide and makes for a much more interesting museum.

Mexico's history musuem has a PKP wagon in it's collection

Chicago History musuem has a German U boat (and it certainly didnt arrive via the great lakes).

Austrian railway musuem has Bulgarian, Roumianian and Polish engines in it's collection.