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Mallard to visit Germany

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by railway, Apr 21, 2011.

  1. 60017

    60017 Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    Huh? What did I do?
     
  2. Anthony Coulls

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    And 563 went across the Atlantic and Dunrobin is back without a hitch. Can we stop this silly speculation now please? It's getting tiresome, and my desire to reman on the forum is growing thin.
     
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    That's well understood, Anthony - for goodness' sake, people, stop it.

    I'm a professional seafarer, and have had just as much soul-searching as you as to whether to bother stopping on here, when I read the posts concerned - folks, within the EU, believe me, shipping, particularly in the ro-ro & short sea trades, is probably the most regulated form of transport going. Believe me, you have more risk of breaking your own sorry necks by losing your footing when getting out of bed than there is of Mallard coming to grief on her travels.

    No wonder this forum is described as 'the Dark Side' elsewhere :(

    Please don't let a few daft individuals put you off, Anthony - your input here is MUCH appreciated

    Cheers
    Mark
     
  4. Sir Nigel Gresley

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    Here is an indication of the interest in Germany, from the Drehscheibe (=Turntable) Forum.
     
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    Spamcan81 Nat Pres stalwart

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    I like the post where the contributor writes that he thinks Mallard is a more beautiful streamliner than the 05.
     
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    Good luck Mallard, personally I think it is excellent to see Mallard going to Germany - if there is anybody who appreciates a steam loco more than us, its the Germans.

    This kind of move extends ties with other museums and raises the profile of our NRM. She's not going to sink (its not like we don't fly use the ferry for sake of crashing/sinking fears) and if we could get anything back in return it'd be interesting to see what we could get. V200 anyone? I suppose we've already got a BR52... so an 05 would be lovely!

    Good Luck NRM,

    m0rris
     
  7. MarkinDurham

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    Well said.

    The biggest problem that the NRM has with getting Berne Gauge stock in, as far as I know, is that the site's effectively 'land-locked' to it, due to low bridges & the 'electric strings'. That leaves the GCR and NVR which can accept Berne Gauge stock, doesn't it? I can't, off the top of my head, think of anywhere else in the UK that could run Continental stock. Can anyone else think of suitable venues?

    Mark
     
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    I don't understand why people are worried about the ship catching fire. Mallard won't be in steam during the crossing. And, if the ship sinks, its a duck, and duck's float. They can also fly, so no problem with being dropped. No real risk, at all when you apply lateral thinking..........

    Might run some bearings, though, if its dragged!
     
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    I actually meant this as an ironic dig to rile the couple of contributors whose attitude seems to be "It's our Mallard, why should the krauts have it". Germans (except for politicians) don't let things like that fire happen twice. In fact on one of my frequent trips to Germany I now intend to visit, photograph the two locos, and hopefully post here if my snaps are not too rubbish.

    I'm all in favour of the NRM lending, and hopefully exchanging, stock with the DB or anyone else for that matter. If Shildon really is the only NRM site where you can deliver a Berne-gauge loco and rail it, then good on Shildon, I say. Hope they get an opportunity to try it.

    PS Haven't seen Mallard for ages. How close is its livery, in detail, to what looks so good on 4492, especially the chrome letters and numbers?
     
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    Mallard doesn't have the chrome/stainless steel trim so the lettering and numbering is in standard LNER shaded style.
     
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    Theoretically MoSI in Manchester could. In the collection is the Vulcan 4-4-0 built for Pakistan Railways (brought outside occasionally) and the 3' 6" gauge beyer garratt on static display. Assuming outside storage of said coach no bridges over the track limiting height. If the how it could be operated and whether it would be overkill are ignored the main challenge would be getting it through the main gates! The video below of the hymek arriving on site shows the challenge.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vFYz1ogeEg&feature=channel_video_title

    As far as Mallard I'm happy for it to visit Germany.

    Regards
    Duncan
     
  12. ADB968008

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    I would have thought several preserved railways which used to be double track, but which are now single, and have the track skewed to the centre of any bridge arch could receive most, not all, Berne gauge stock.
    The big issue is platform edge stones, but trundling up and down freight yards between stations ought to be possible.

    Here's a recent example to compare, it's the coach steps which would pose the problem, and on locomotives, the cylinders.
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    Problem is the lack of interest in foreign steam in the UK to make it viable to railways to "nudge" the platform stones, or the track outwards where's theres only 1 platform.
     
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    All good points, particularly the last one.
     
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    People tend to forget that vehicle width is actually the biggest difference between UK and Berne loading gauge, and then there are all the steps for lower platforms. Of course, this may not apply to locos and the longer the vehicle, the less likely to use the full available width due to "throw" on corners.

    Also, don't forget that air brakes were standard on the Continent from the late 19th Century but are still rare on UK lines.

    That second picture of the praire could almost be a UK line!

    Steven
     
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    Is there any update as to when Mallard will be making its passage from Shilden to the continent?
     
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    No information as yet. Still sorting details.
     
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    We are now 13 days into July, and I'm wondering how things are going on about the visit of Mallard to Nurnberg. Will she make it? Or do they cancel it? Or does it 'just' take a little bit longer?

    Who can tell us?

    Regards,
    Vincent
    The Netherlands
     
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    Funnily enough I sent an e-mail to the NRM asking this same question only yesterday. The reply this morning is that details are still being worked on and an announcement should be made in the next couple of weeks.
     
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    Having just come of the Phone to nrm shildon. Mallard leaves on the 19th july with olton hall for york at 10am approx. Hope this helps
     
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    When I visited Shildon on 20th June, the very helpful guy on the desk advised that Mallard will be going to Germany but not until December. No mention was made of its return to York so maybe plans have again changed!

    It was my first visit to Shildon and I would like to say to anyone on here who has any involvement with it, well done and keep up the good work. The friendly and knowledgeable persons there made it a great experience. One well worth the long drive for.
     

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