Reported Incident with 70013 Sun 27th May on the Peak Forrester.

Re: Severe Incident with 70013 today

I was on the tour and we were not officially told the cause, apart from that a member of the crew had been injured on the locomotive. There was plenty of talk of a blowback all day though, injuring two support crew, one worse than the other.

We stopped initially at Oakleigh Park, but with the loco beyond the platform, then, after a few minutes, pulled forward to New Barnet where an ambulance attended. I would say the incident added 30-40mins delay.

There was no more news of the crew during the day and so I wish them a speedy recovery.

After this incident (and the earlier hold-ups with the ECS) we ran more or less 2 hrs later than planned all day, with 20 mins lost and regained here and there. Approx 23:45 eventual arrival into KX, having left Rowsley at 19:00, and with some fast and noisy running on the return. Passengers were given the option of alighting at Derby on the return for the 20:05 service train to St Pancras. Maybe 60 to 80 did so.

 

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So perhaps all those quoting posts as 'overly sensationalistic' would now like to retract their criticisms.
It seems to me that the original post was made in good faith, based on the facts available at the time.
If footplate crew were seen jumping off with clothing on fire, and subsequently taken to hospital,
that sounds pretty serious, not overly sensationalistic.

I get the feeling that what is behind a lot of this criticism is not liking someone else getting info first.
If I find out something and post it first, that's ok. If someone else posts it first, then it shouldn't be on the forum.

 

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That ^ is not true, I couldn't care less who posted the story first, I just don't like stories being published before they are confirmed. What's wrong with that?

I am not going to retract my criticism, has there been official confirmation that that is what actually happened? Until there is then I stand by what I said.

 

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:frusty: For Gods sake shut up rabbiting on about who did what first and retractions. There are two hard working fellas in hospital, a bit of concern for those two wouldn't go amiss.
I hope the injuries aren't too serious and they both make a full recovery.

 

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Here here - best wishes to the crew, and our hopes for a speedy and full recovery.

 

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Very well said.

 

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I was in no way wanting to detract from the seriousness of the situation.
I am most certainly concerned for the two injured crew.
Without guys like them we would have no mainline steam.
My best wishes for a speedy recovery go to them both.

 

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Not going to pass any comment on what may or may not have happened, but two friends of mine suffered a blow back on a loco a few years ago, although not as serious as this, none the less, very frightening and can cause terrible injuries, My thoughts are with the crew.

 

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I hope they make a fast and speedy recovery. That's all that matters at this point. Let the RAIB deal with the rest.
Dave

 

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Both members of the footplate crew, who were taken by ambulance to hospital after the incident, have since been discharged from hospital and returned home. We wish them a full & speedy recovery.

Both RAIB and HMRI have been made aware of the incident and will investigate, as necessary.

JS
WCR

 

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Thank you Mr. Shuttleworth, that's a bit of encouraging news.

Many many years ago I was a young lad standing on York station doing a bit of train watching, an A3 came in from the north on a KX service, the wheel tapper started his job and I happened to be looking at the cab of the A3 and suddenly there was a bang and a sheet of flame shot across the cab, now I don't understand these things but would that be a "blowback"?. It terrified me when I saw it, I've never forgotten.

 

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That's exactly what it is, Brian. Encouraging news regarding the crew. I hope that they have a speedy and full recovery.

 

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Hear hear. There's no point in mindless comments. At the end of the day the wellfare of the two men who were injured in this incident is the most important thing here. I'm glad that they have both been discharged and would like to wish them a full recovery.

As for the speculation, why not let RAIB find out the facts, I'm sure they will come to their own conclusions about what happened here, none of the speculation will be of any use to them unless someone has the facts.

 

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Good news about the crew. Experienced it once, nobody's fault really and no-one got hurt but very frightening for the few seconds before the blower was turned up.

Given that the loco was standing in a station this sounds like a blowback caused by a tube or superheater tube failure... not funny!

Foxy

 

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That is encouraging news, I too hope they make a speedy recovery

 

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Given that the loco was standing in a station this sounds like a blowback caused by a tube or superheater tube failure... !

Foxy[/QUOTE]

No it doesn't, if that was the case the loco would be a failure and not continued the journey.

 

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Methinks, that Foxhunter was refering to Victor's experience at York, not 70013.

 

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Well, quite a lot actually.

If we were to wait for the 'official' report, that could take months, or even years. Assuming one even gets published.

Compared with what is written in most newspapers every day, the postings on this forum generally aren't all that far off the mark. A bit of speculation, yes, but usually from people who know a little bit about the subject. Unlike the aforementioned printed media.

This particular thread isn't such a bad example. Okay, seemingly slightly exaggerated perhaps, but most decent people tend to worry about such events and the possible consequences. It could have been really bad, and let's hope it really wasn't. What IS a real pain is those that pop up straining at the leash to be politically correct, and more or less saying any mention should be in effect censored. What a load of rubbish, and how effin patronising. Most people reading this forum are able to make their own judgement. And those that aren't? - does it really matter? Those that don't want to know can always switch off.

 

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I didn't say I wanted to see the official statement - just confirmation that it happened.

Imagine you are one of the crew members families, this gets plastered on forums, and you start getting phone calls from people who know your husband/partner etc etc were part of the footplate crew on that loco that day, phone calls telling you that there was a really bad blow back,crew members were seen jumping alight from the footplate - very badly burnt, you would be worried yes?

That is why I feel that these things should be checked before posting - out of respect to peoples families - not to be patronising- or censoring for the sake of censoring.

 

It seems to me the original report was measured, qualified, and so on. It seemed not unreasonable.

What I think is a big problem is when any issue is followed by dozens of completely uninformed speculative posts about *why* it happened, variously alleging incompetence on parts of operators, or maintenance crew, or restorers, or designers, or contractors and usually all of them, all founded thoroughly and almost entirely in the head of the poster. I'm sure we can all think of threads where such posts have occurrred. That's the sort of stuff that's best left to the RAIB report IMHO.