Preserved Black 5's

Morning All

Final collection of Black 5’s features the preserved locos
http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/LMSSteam/Stanier-Black-5/Preserved-Black-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2535152538&k=x626tk5
http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/LMSSteam/Stanier-Black-5/Preserved-Black-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2535152957&k=dJP2RTp
http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/LMSSteam/Stanier-Black-5/Preserved-Black-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2535153472&k=pmGwxR4

Neil


http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/

 

A pleasant reminder of how smart 44932 looked in lined green. Be nice if an owner of one saw fit to offer a nostalgic recreation of those early heritage era days.

 

My video from the Weymouth Seaside Express with 44932 - loudest steam engine in the UK right now?



James at SVN

 

It is certainly handsome in green. Were there any 'green 5s' in BR service?

 

http://railway-photography.smugmug....ck-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2535152593&k=LbBQxf5 = Rainhill trials therefore Crewe Works ?
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ck-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2535152645&k=DNxhfF3 = Fort William
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ck-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2535152664&k=fWk6tWH = As above
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ck-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2535153046&k=VNJGNCb = Boat of Garten
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ck-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2535153092&k=gZQRgfc = Bewdley [SVR]
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ck-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2535153093&k=vwjVRRn = Loughborough [GCR] ?
http://railway-photography.smugmug....ck-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2535153102&k=KHPB28J = As above

 

http://railway-photography.smugmug....ck-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2535152593&k=LbBQxf5 = Rainhill trials therefore Crewe Works ?

No - S&D 150, Shildon Works, in August 1975 (where 4767 was named 'George Stephenson').

It looked attractive in as-built unlined LMS gloss black but owner, Ian Storey, has preferred to keep it in final BR lined black, since the mid-80s.

And, please (Danny Maxim), don't encourage owners to paint any Black 5s green; it was done at Carnforth (along with 5407 in Furness red), by Peter Beet, in the late 60s/early 70s to relieve the immediate post-end of steam boredom, but didn't really add much to the sum total of knowledge.

44806, from photographic evidence, at least, appeared to be a much more olive shade of BR green.

JS

 

Interestingly, had 4767 not been invited to Shildon, then by at least one account she would probably have been outshopped in crimson lake with 'NYMR' on the tender.

I noticed a photo of 4871 in LNWR (ish) black amongst Neil's collection: http://railway-photography.smugmug....ck-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2535152791&k=MVkNpbL

 

I feel its sad that there were so many locos in LMS black livery, and now its totally gone from the working mainline steam fleet. With a number of working Black Fives, surely all the livery variations could be carried?
Daniel

 

44932 Carnforth in green

http://tinyurl.com/nrqdheo

Neil

 

Not exactly sure if 44806 ran for any length of time in BR brunswick green, other than for a few month perhaps. Though she was turned out in that colour by the "new" British Railways as they experimented with various colour schemes on an equally varied selection of engines, before settling on lined [at first] Brunswick Green for Express engines and lined [at first] Black for the rest.....

What's more it annoyed the blazes out of the last Derrick Cross, a "green" black 5, his temper was abated a little when he found out that "yes" there had been such a machine and 44806 was that machine. Still didn't care for the colour scheme, but lived with it........

 

Interesting that the run from Weymouth all the way to Yeovil Jn to turn was without the support coach.

 

There were only three recorded instances of Black 5s running in service, in any livery other than black. When the BTC organised a 'beauty pageant' to assess new liveries, in 1948, three brand-new Cl. 5s were repainted: M4762 (Southern Malachite green); M4763 (LNER Apple green); M4764 (GWR Chrome green). A fourth '5' (45292) was also provided (at the private request of R A Riddles), finished in fully-lined LNWR Blackberry black and that decided the eventual adoption of this livery (albeit in a slightly modified and simplified form) for all mixed-traffic locos.

There is no recorded evidence of either preserved green-painted '5' carrying green in BR service. According to Chris Beet, 44932 carried a form of mid-Brunswick green - frommemory, it was hardly BR/GW mid-Chrome and the remains recently uncovered on the tender, before re-painting, would confirm this - and 44806 carried a darker Brunswick, with early crest. 44932 did run on the main line in green, during the 70s; 44806 went (towed) to Accrington and Helmshore, in green, in the early 70s, before running on the Lakeside branch (alongside the LNW and Caledonian-liveried Fairburn tanks). It lost its green to plain black, when it subsequently went to Southport.

The rainbow of colours at Carnforth, during the early 70s - purple, turquoise, bright yellow industrials! - is worth a thread to itself.

JS

 

Thanks so much for the info guys, hoping to model a fictional '5' in a similar colour

 

I used to get a lift from Newscastle to Grosmont with Ian Storey when 44767 was being restored at Thornaby and never heard him mention that. As far as I know it was always going to be post-war LMS. On the other hand Jos De Crau originally wanted 80135 in LMS maroon and was persuaded to have it in BR green instead - perhaps that's what you are thinking of?

It is a great shame,I think that there are no LMS liveried Black 5s running now.

 

I believe there are plans to outshop 5305 in LMS black. Sure I have read it somewhere!!!!

 

Just added a pic of 44932 yesterday by Alan Costello

http://railway-photography.smugmug....ck-5s/29626694_LKQHDP#!i=2608242839&k=vTkvQVw

Neil

 

Perhaps this was before Ian Storey bought the engine? I distinctly recall an article in the Beano a couple of years back, written I think by Maurice Burns, which said that the original plan was to paint her red.

I didn't know that about 80135. I can't help thinking that she would have looked quite good, if not in LMS red, then at least in BR maroon.

 

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Hi

As someone who missed BR steam I have been influenced by certain locos during the preservation era. One of my all time favorites is 5305, mostly due to the fact it always shone whenever you saw it. A quick pic below which I took as a teenager in the 1980s. I would love to see a black 5 in this guise again.

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