Flying Scotsman

Isn't there a triangle up that way IIRC?

 

Stockton?

 

I think you're right.

 

What has been spent on it is water under the bridge, and it would be folly to try to recoup that other than by merchandising. The important thing is to accummulate the cost of the next overhaul.

 

Quite right and it's pretty much the same for all locomotives.

 

what i meant was as 4472 is likily to be the only NRM mainline approoved engine, likily to be based at york, it would have to be one thats using york as a base whilst laying over between tours, unless 70013 is likily to be heading up to york at some stage, i agree it would be a good day out, and could be a way to entice mainline engines to use york as a base . more ,assuming the NRM has room to stable another engine undercover

 

Oh god.... you can tell you lot are never up north much! To be fair, I have no clue about the layout of places like Brighton, Bornemouth, etc as its the opposite end of the country for me.

Shildon has no turntable. Thoughts were to put on in but the idea has been seen to be as too expensive for the amount of times it would be used, despite the amount of rail borne traffic to Locomotion did increase gradually over the years, but has since slipped back. A lot of this was movements like Mallard to Shildon, to then need to turn Tornado, the occasional tour through the area. Stockton is on part of a triangle (the Bowesfield triangle) but really once past Eaglescliffe you are now facing South for a run onto the ECML (made up of lines from Darlington to Eaglescliffe, thence to Northallerton and the south, the remaining triangle is the leg to Darlington). WCRC have made use of the loop at Eaglescliffe to turn things southwards and use the spur across to access the up line. These are really one offs. Your pretty much only garunteed a movement in when theres a steam gala with big engines on. This year Galatea was the engine of choice to grace the metals and stand on the appron.

Other one offs have been the weeks with the shuttles to Locomotion, but the timings of the run from Shildon to York make it hard to do both in one day. Not to mention that the two runs makes it hard to bring anyone back. You could make the run with just one trip like York -Shildon and return. Previously they tried, York-Shildon-York and then repeated it to bring those from the north to York back home. It was nice that those from the north had the option even if rushed rather than focusing on just people from the south. Eventually the loadings were fair, but whether its still cost prohibative I dont know. Calling at places like North Road, and Northallerton did increase journey times, but equally did bring on passengers. Maybe Northallerton was a good idea, as its half way, but probably best was to book in advance and just do York-Shildon and return. I did think it was an expensive enterprise which might be the achillies heel of what is essencially a good idea.

As for Scotsman on something like this, the obvious answer would be to run it on the Scarbrough Spa Express, then its nearby and you can do the York-Scarbrough part of the tour and visit the NRM. It did work on this one season before it went and Im sure that once its back it will tour the rest of the country, much akin to the operation of Cromwell does today. The paint froth seems to have started, but my bet would be on the double chimney, german deflectors and LNER apple green... simply because thats the engine in its most economical and best performance set up, while in a livery most recognise. Yes its not 1930s LNER its an arrangement for 'preservation' but that is the chapter the engine is in at the moment. Its still an operational engine and as a result runs in this arrangement. Its accurate for 2015 not trying to run as something drawn up years ago when improvements have been found. Its a guise its done before and most recognise it as such.

Hope that helps. Anyone wanting to see pics of some things mentioned above can check the website link below and find the galleries of the two Mallard moves, Olympic Flame tour, and NRM Shuttles as well as galleries on events at Shildon.

 

Oi! I've family in Yorkshire and I visit the NYMR regularly so mind your lip sunshine.

 

I am only a thick southerner and I'm confused as Spamcan and I recollected a triangle at Stockton which The Black Hat confirms, but he also writes, "Oh god.... you can tell you lot are never up north much! ".

 

Yeah and I can imagine why! Must be nice to see an engine just walk up the bank then like a Q6... rather than spin its wheels. Dont get too upset just cos you got something wrong... it happens to us all!

 

Its not meant to be so serious! Crikey...

Shildon has no turntable. Stockton as a triangle, was mentioned but is no use for a tour laying over at Shildon which is what was mentioned. Its an hour to Stockton from Shildon both ways for a kettle, with getting past Darlington a headache. Bowesfield would also take time to navigate and run there and back would be at 45mph as your tender first. If the tour was left there youd have service trains that need to pass, and also then to water on return. The easy way would be to drag the tour back to Eaglecliffe and then cross the spur, as WCRC did do with the Olympic flame charter with 46115. For steam forwards as it remained on the front into Shildon. If going north, just drag it back to Darlington, then head northwards.

Using the deltic to just drag the whole thing back to York would be a good idea, as its faster would be more direct and saves on running round. Scotsman and 55002 might make the idea possible if its not too expensive.

Using stockton isnt really much use, hence the typical northern dry repost.

 

Well how much have the consultants cost and are still costing, have they got more knowledge than Ian Riley?

 

Who knows Keith, the only folk who can answer that are the consultants. Ian Riley and his team are the engineers, they will do (fully and correctly) what they have been contracted to do. The NRM are the people who KNOW what the situation is, and as far as I can see the job is progressing.

 

Gosh, this thread contained some waffle...

I've moved three pages of "anything but Scotsman" to its own thread..
About anything but Scotsman, link is here...

Waffle away...

http://www.national-preservation.com/threads/anything-but-scotsman-waffle-thread.171840/

If there's anything left to say about Scotsman... We can continue in here.

As a starting point.. What livery should it be in the cab?

 

SR is reporting that NDT testing of the frames between the cylinders has not shown up any problems.....

 

Tartan.

 

with or without undercoat

 

Fine - but WHICH tartan?

best use undercoat in case the edges of the tartan start to lift

 

I see the silly season has arrived.

 

A true Scotsman never wears anything under his tartan.


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