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GCR TPO set

Discussion in 'Heritage Rolling Stock' started by Sidmouth, May 12, 2014.

  1. david1984

    david1984 Resident of Nat Pres

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    Suggestions elsewhere now the 37 may have been propelling the TPO, just repeating what I've seen so don't take it as gospel.

    Edit: there's a pic on wnxx take from Beeches Rd bridge which confirms the location, sadly it appears the TPO was still coupled to the green MK1 rake from the weekend, which has presumably taken a prang too :(
     
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  2. Wenlock

    Wenlock Well-Known Member Friend

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    I may be missing something here, but I didn't think from the published tmetable that there was a train service on Monday.

    In which case the question I have is " Does the GCR operate to normal signalling system when no service is running, or do they effectively operate under an all line possession?"

    It could make a big difference if an unusual move was being made within a possession rather than during normal train working.
     
  3. Shaggy

    Shaggy Part of the furniture

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    After reading the Facebook postings last night, it would appear that RAIB are already involved and someone (supposedly linked to the GC due to comments being made) was getting quite upset about the photo being published as it was being treated as very serious.

    I've now seen two photos of the incident. The first side on from behind a hedge and now this one. It would appear that there could be some considerable damage to both the TPO set and Network Rail's 37198.
     

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    Spamcan81 Nat Pres stalwart

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    So it was an NR 37. The plot thickens.
     
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    Looking at further images, this appears to be 1 TPO coach and one of the sets used at the weekends gala (the sr green set) although that set does contain 1 TPO coach
     
  6. mike redditch

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    The GCR seem to have a track record of major incidents, the Black 5 smashed the train and needed the firebox re staying, 46521, and now the 37.

    They always seem come out of these incidents unscathed and for some reason loco owners keep sending their locos there!
     
  7. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    suggestions (and I stress Suggestions) are that the 37 is owned by Nemesis Rail
     
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    If you leave a class 37 parked with the air brake set "on" but remove the EP key (i.e. the master switch is "off") then the compressors stop running. The air bleeds off over time (depending on how "tight" the system is) then the loco can roll as the brakes release. The SSF wont stop the loco because there isn't any air to apply the brakes. If you're going to leave a 37 even with the power unit running, then either leave the key in and the master switch in "on" or put the handbrakes on. By contrast a 33 will continue to run its compressors even when the EP key is out and the master switch in "off" so the roll away risk is consequently much lower. I hasten to add that I know nothing about this incident. Have no idea if the power unit was running or the loco had been stabled or whatever, so the above whilst correct, might be irrelevant.
     
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    Sidmouth , the 37 is owned by Network Rail

    its 255 which is owned by nemisis
     
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    Don't know about that but 37113 certainly rolled out of the motorail sidings at Edinburgh Waverley and ran into an incoming HST.

    If a locomotive is shut down its air will eventually bleed off and the only things that will stop it running away are its handbrakes (two on a 37, one in each cab, and they take a might long time to wind on or off) or scotches. Also, when a class 37 is running, the master switch needs to be in direction or engine only for the compressors to run - without air, even on a locomotive which is not shut down, only handbrakes or scotches will stop it.

    Edit: Oops beaten to it by some considerable margin by 21B above. It takes me ages to post something when I'm doing other stuff at the same time!!
     
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    From WNXX forum.
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    Ahh, that's better, looks even worse from the picture taken further away.
     
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    Looks like one bogie off one of the green carriages is in the dirt - cant see the wheels from the picture
     
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    That's a good old prang! This may sound harsh, but I hope the details of the incident are published by whoever investigates it, weather it be RAIB or if they permit the GC to investigate internally, as while not publishing may spare some blushes at the GC, it is only through knowing how the accident occurred that the rest of us may assess our own practices to avoid a repeat else where.
    That said, I hope this doesn't cause too much damage to the GC's reputation.
     
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    I hope it's not going to become a regular feature of GCR galas
     
  18. Martin Perry

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    If it is investigated by the RAIB, then the report will be published. If it is not, one would hope that the GCR would share any lessons learned.
     
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    I made a report to the ORR two years ago, about the unsafe working practices and lax safety culture at the GCR. I cited many examples of unsafe working, and examples of how the rule book wasn't being applied. For whatever reason, the ORR and GCR took no action. Since that report went in, the GCR has had two major accidents. I wonder, if they had, perhaps, taken my report just a little more seriously, if both of those accidents could have been avoided? Only reason I mention this here is to highlight that the failings, whatever they may be, were highlighted two years ago. I hope that this is taken into account when the report is published.

    Tom.
     
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    I believe reports are shared within the HRA members but at an officer level. This allows railway senior officers to review their processes and procedures. These reports however dont get down to the shop floor level. I can understand not wanting to wash linen in public but it might, for example, stop the speculation that surounded driving standards at the East Lancs. That is "we are aware and doing something about it".

    I would however caution those like me who are involved in operating to remember the old phrase "there but for the grace of god go I"
     

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