Standard 8MT 2-8-2 New Build

Come on chaps, lets focus here!

Semi-seriously, I do think it is unfortunate the Standard 2-8-2 wasn't built - it would certainly have been more useful than the Clans in Scotland, and might well have become a general purpose mass production exercise. Even with 5'8" wheels it should have been able to run as fast as B1 or V2, probably better riding than the B1. And it should have been suitable for all freight except heavy unfitted, which the 9F's excelled at. Nor, I suspect would it have been very expensive to build.

It would be about a class 8, wouldn't it? The smaller wheels would push up its T/E.

I'm assuming that both the 8MT and the 9F got built. Just a pleasant fantasy to pass the time.

 

Haven't the P2 projects already got that one covered?
[ducks, runs]

 

Yes they have, and the missing wheel arrangement. As for wheel size Mr Dragon I still find it hard to believe that 4 x 6ft 2 inch wheels aren't going to be a heap of trouble....something smaller less so
Don't know how MT ratings were worked but if we are talking Brit boiler that's a 7p, and perhaps not quite a 9f maybe it would be an 8MT.

Im really encouraged by the popularity of this thread, does anyone know how to set up a facebook page....?

 

4 drivers? I think you mean 8. Anyway, what problems do you foresee with a 74 ins 2-8-2 as opposed to a 74 ins 4-6-2?

 

one has a 20ft coupled wheel base the other 15 (ish) ?

 

I wouldn't confuse "popularity of thread" with "support for a real project". Some of the most popular and fastest-growing new build threads on here concerned the various Stuart Reeder projects. As a historical "might have been", a Riddles 2-8-2 makes an interesting discussion. As a practical new build project, it's a non-starter.

Tom

 

And you don't think the P2 team have taken this into consideration?

 

Oh Tom, you're so negative. Once the website is up and running it's as good as in steam!

 

Not thinking of bar frames. I would like like to use Chapelon's all welded equivalent of the cast steel bed. Nothing to work loose that did not, on occasion, need to be removed. Greater rigidity in both vertical and horizontal planes. All roller bearings and go the extra mile and use Franklin wedges (or Timken double wedges).

For the boiler, the complexity and expense created by not using a round top firebox should be avoided at all costs, no one will know what lies under the cladding. You could, and indeed should, abandon the stayed firebox and move on to the water tube box which would make dealing with the higher boiler pressure far easier. Locomotive boiler pressures are tame compared with those that can be found elsewhere. And it has to be remembered that boiler design for the railways using historic practices does not meet modern standards. Far from it.

Lubrication would not present any problems since the work on this has already been done.

You may well have to take the 3 cylinder route. It all depends on the actual traffic requirement to say nothing about bragging rights.

 

I believe the P2 has a 19ft 6in coupled wheelbase, less than the night owl.

Dave

 

Err, I rather think that was his point (i.e. he was being ironic).

Noel

 

Having started the conversation, can I assure you it is no more than an exercise in pipe-dreaming? I do believe it is a pity that the 2-8-2 wasn't built, but I have neither the energy or the cash to start off any new build project!

 

Or in plain black

 

Rather clever! What image did you start with, if I may enquire?

Noel

 

Very impressive image manipulation there of a 9F, it does give a reasonable approximation of what the Standard 2-8-2 may well have looked like, except.....
the wheels are too small. Still, it does give me hope that a Farcebook page will be set up and the New-build will be charging over Shap in 8 years time, perhaps sooner if I can get this 3D printer to work on a slightly bigger scale!!

Cheers

Alan

 

I'm sure if you give Phill a day or two he'll do you a 6' 2" version too

 

Tongue firmly in cheek but how about using a PKP Pt47 running gear as a head start, 1850mm drivers so not too small or too big either!

 

A picture of a 9f from the image archive.