If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

61264 Hits Buffers At Norwich

Discussion in 'Photography' started by LMarsh1987, Oct 7, 2021.

  1. LMarsh1987

    LMarsh1987 Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    2,665
    Likes Received:
    2,979
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Birmingham
    Anyone seen this fine bit of driving from 2004 ?
     
  2. green five

    green five Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2006
    Messages:
    6,309
    Likes Received:
    1,838
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hampshire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    This came up on the YouTube app on our TV the other day. Googled this incident after watching the video. Couldn't find a definite explanation for what happened but comments on another forum say the brakes failed and the B1 was put in to reverse to try and stop the loco. The RTC trip was abandoned while an investigation was carried out and the B1 was inspected for damage.
    More details here:
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...IQFnoECBMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3iEymr7rFxgayqSPfWacbu

    Sent from my XQ-BT52 using Tapatalk
     
  3. 5944

    5944 Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2006
    Messages:
    6,428
    Likes Received:
    4,201
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Train Maintainer for GTR at Hornsey
    Location:
    Letchworth
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    https://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/00s/040410rt.htm

    I seem to recall whoever was driving applied the train brake, rather than the loco brake, but it was 17 years ago and I can't remember the details! I know I was stewarding that day, and most of the passengers went home on the first available Anglian service. A few stayed behind and had 8 hours in Norwich. A few 37 bashers turned up as well, as a 37/0 up the GE wasn't a common occurrence. Good run back - passengers on the platforms were stepping back as we came hammering through!
     
    green five likes this.
  4. Martin Perry

    Martin Perry Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2006
    Messages:
    15,975
    Likes Received:
    6,677
    Location:
    1012 / 60158
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Doesn’t applying the train brake apply the loco brake too, as it would on a diesel loco?
     
  5. Johann Marsbar

    Johann Marsbar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2016
    Messages:
    1,254
    Likes Received:
    1,281
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Suffolk
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    There was another trip with 61264 which I was travelling on that did something similar at Norwich and we ended up with a 67 taking the train on to Lowestoft. Can't find the date (or the photos) at the moment. The return to London was made rather more interesting by someone working in Control sending it via various obscure loops on the way back, including the one behind one of the platforms at Ilford!
    Certainly wasn't the one shown in the video as I was at a historic vehicle rally in Bendigo, VIC, that day....

    EDIT:- It was 10th November 2001 and the B1 had a hot box and was failed when we got to Norwich. 67 024 did the honours from there, though the return journey had to be via Norwich as 67's weren't passed for the East Suffolk...
     
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2021
  6. 5944

    5944 Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2006
    Messages:
    6,428
    Likes Received:
    4,201
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Train Maintainer for GTR at Hornsey
    Location:
    Letchworth
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Down passenger loops in the up direction was fun! BLS would've had a field day with all the crossovers and wrong direction running.
     
  7. Johann Marsbar

    Johann Marsbar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2016
    Messages:
    1,254
    Likes Received:
    1,281
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Suffolk
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I think a number of people abandoned the train at Norwich after the B1 was failed, but there were still quite a few on it through to Lowestoft. I remember positioning myself right at the front of the train and making a quick dash to the rather good Chippy just round the corner from the Station (since closed, I believe). I said to the staff there, "you will have a few customers in a minute" and by the time I left the place, the queue was out the door and round the corner towards the station!
     
    green five likes this.
  8. GWR4707

    GWR4707 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    May 12, 2006
    Messages:
    15,432
    Likes Received:
    12,221
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cumbria
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    That's a bit of a clunk, did she escape unscathed?

    The whole move seems rather uncontrolled, both the running into the buffers but then the vigorous move backwards towards points which were in an unknown position for the crew and/or the stock.

    Thank god NP wasn't in existence at this date it would have been quite the bun fight!
     
  9. Pete Thornhill

    Pete Thornhill Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Administrator Moderator Friend

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2008
    Messages:
    6,413
    Likes Received:
    4,131
    Don’t worry the Steam Dreams forum was still going, ironically it was the demise of that forum which led to the creation of Nat Pres.
     
  10. Enterprise

    Enterprise Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2005
    Messages:
    5,047
    Likes Received:
    2,858
    I think the precursor to the present incarnation of NP existed. I don't remember what the rows were about then. Diesel assistance most probably! :)
     
  11. GWR4707

    GWR4707 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    May 12, 2006
    Messages:
    15,432
    Likes Received:
    12,221
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cumbria
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Ah I remember those innocent days.
     
  12. Dunkirk21

    Dunkirk21 New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2012
    Messages:
    8
    Likes Received:
    3
    The driver reported that the brakes had failed on 61264 for the reason he hit the buffers. I was on the support crew and the engine was taken to Crown Point depot,where the brakes were tested and found to be perfect. The boiler sustained a lot of damage to various firebox stays and was repaired at Carnforth after returning in light steam behind a class 37 from Norwich.
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2021
  13. staffordian

    staffordian Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2012
    Messages:
    1,398
    Likes Received:
    1,995
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    The Potteries
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I wonder if the quote should have read "applied the loco brake rather than the train brake"?

    Wouldn't this have resulted in a much reduced application?

    Edit: Cancel that. Light engine movement...
     
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2021
  14. Chris86

    Chris86 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2011
    Messages:
    870
    Likes Received:
    552
    Occupation:
    Safety, Technical and Offroad Driver Trainer
    Location:
    South Yorkshore
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    On the subject of 61264, is there any news about her current status?

    Saw a picture of her separated from her tender at Grosmont from the gala, and some mention of firebox problems?

    Regards

    Chris
     

Share This Page