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Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by 61624, Jun 23, 2014.

  1. Pete Thornhill

    Pete Thornhill Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Administrator Moderator Friend

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    They lost against Supermacs in Ireland too.
     
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    Oh for judges like that on the current cases being brought by Zara...
     
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    I'd settle for a few more editors with the guts to say "I'm not running that sort of meaningless bilge as news". :Meh:
     
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    The NER in earlier times had loco works at Gateshead, Darlington, Leeds & York, who apparently produced four slightly different versions of NER livery.

    With green having been such a popular locomotive colour, railway companies seemed to produce an almost limitless variety of shades, light green & dark green, with bluish, yellowish or brownish hues. It is interesting at the NRM to see a wide variety together. I have to confess that I could not detect any difference between GNR green and NER green as seen inside the NRM. Whereas they were quite distinct from other varieties of light green, such as seen in the attached.
     

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    S.A.C. Martin Part of the furniture

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    Ah, but the question you have to ask of that locomotive is which works painted it, and at what time, with what paint, when it was retired for the museum...!
     
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    I'm not so sure that there is much difference in the shade of green between these two locos. The difference is that one was painted fairly recently and its varnish is still new. The other was painted 50 years earlier, prior to going to Clapham Museum, and its varnish has all but disappeared over the intervening years. Headly a proper comparison. Alas the T3's paint work is typical of many of the older Museum locos as any form of maintenance of the larger exhibits has now ceased in favour of Wonderlab and highlighting future railway technology. History and conservation seem to be alien concepts to the Museum's Masterplan for the future. Such a pity in my opinion.

    Peter
     
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    It will be interesting to see what colours are carried by the T3 when it emerges from its current overhaul.

    The NER engine colour was sometimes termed "Saxony Green". I wondered about the origin of that term. Looking at the fine photo of "Morayshire" posted by Simon at #92, I think I see an affinity with the green of Saxony's flag:

    https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/de-sn815.html
    https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/de-sx.html

    Anyway, I always like to see an engine in a shade of green different from the prevailing GWR/BR standard. Now if only Mr Thompson had painted a B1 in blue like he did with "Great Northern" .....
     
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    From what I've read, Aerolite in the NRM always seems to be the loco referred to as being the best example carrying NER saxony green, which to my eyes is quite different to that carried recently by Morayshire and Mayflower.
     
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    I always thought that 251 and 990, both GNR atlantics wore markedly different colours. Presumably this is more down to when, rather than where the museum prep paint job was done.
     
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    Well they look pretty much the same to me. Surely any difference is likely to be down to the age of the paint as much as anything. Even in museum conditions 40 year old paint will fade to some extent. Or is it just that I'm colour blind?

    Peter (who wasn't colour blind at his last medical six months ago)
     
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    The NER paint swatch acquired from Darlington be the North Eastern Railway Association over 60 years ago is a different colour from all the NER locos in the NRM collection. This swatch is kept in darkness so won’t have faded.

    According to the railway’s good doctor you don’t go colour blind. That is, unless you drink meths, which I’m sure you don’t.
     
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    Maroon = LMS = West Coast. That's logical. It looks as though Saphos has settled on blood and custard that also makes sense given the locomotives they have. The anomaly of the B1 is just that.
     

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