If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

6201, her new lease of life.

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Sidmouth, Feb 7, 2017.

  1. lil Bear

    lil Bear Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    Messages:
    6,093
    Likes Received:
    1,429
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Railway Technician
    Location:
    8C / 5D / 27C / 71B
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Best of luck, I hope the Society is able to get her out in the shortest timeframe possible. Though if I've read the website correct, they aren't a registered Charity currently so are unable to claim Gift Aid - surely an obvious fix that would help swell the coffers almost immediately?
     
  2. Romsey

    Romsey Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2007
    Messages:
    3,136
    Likes Received:
    1,274
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired SPM
    Location:
    Close to Spike Island
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Gaining charity status isn't a "quick fix" nowadays, with many more restrictions than there were maybe 25 years ago. Two groups that I am involved with have started to investigate becoming charities and decided it wasn't worth the effort.
    One example, the charity trustees should not be committee or board members of the organisation. For a small group that is a big request when there is enough of a struggle to fill committee posts with willing and competent volunteers.

    Cheers, Neil
     
    LMS2968 likes this.
  3. LMS2968

    LMS2968 Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2006
    Messages:
    2,771
    Likes Received:
    4,250
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Lecturer retired: Archivist of Stanier Mogul Fund
    Location:
    Wigan
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Charitable status has its pros and cons, not least of the latter being that you no longer have full control of your own property. Nor is gift aid all it's cracked up to be: the donor has to be a UK tax payer, and paying enough tax to cover the gift aid. If most of your contributors are retired on a pension and pay little tax, you don't get anything.
     
  4. steam_mad

    steam_mad Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2011
    Messages:
    583
    Likes Received:
    993
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Registering a charity (and continuing to meet the ongoing requirements of the Charities SORP with associated costs, e.g., reduced threshold for requirement for audit) is indeed a time consuming process. However, there is nothing that prevents Trustees from being committee or Board members of their Charity; one of the most common charitable structures is a Charitable Company limited by Guarantee, under which for the purposes of the Companies Act 2006 the trustees are also Company Directors (Board Members).
     
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2021
    35B likes this.
  5. MellishR

    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    6,712
    Likes Received:
    4,118
    I am a trustee for an organisation that converted last year to a Charitable Incorporated Organisation (from its previously charitable but unincorporated status). The commitee consists of the trustees. Since it is our job to run the organisation I can't see how there would be a place for an independent committee, though subcommittees can be set up to deal with particular aspects.
     
    35B likes this.
  6. 35B

    35B Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2011
    Messages:
    19,954
    Likes Received:
    16,077
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Grantham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Likewise, I have just signed papers to become both trustee and director of a body set up in the last 5 years, where my fellow trustees and directors include both people such as myself who might be classed as “non executives” and others, on the payroll and with managerial responsibilities, who might be considered “executive”.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
  7. class8mikado

    class8mikado Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2009
    Messages:
    3,316
    Likes Received:
    1,259
    Occupation:
    Print Estimator/ Repository of Useless Informatio.
    Location:
    Bingley W.Yorks.
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Might be an idea to get your Legacy/Gift in wills forms off to HRMTQ...
     
  8. Romsey

    Romsey Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2007
    Messages:
    3,136
    Likes Received:
    1,274
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired SPM
    Location:
    Close to Spike Island
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Thanks to all for the clarifications.

    Neil
     
  9. guycarr360

    guycarr360 Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2005
    Messages:
    3,641
    Likes Received:
    2,046
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Chester le Street County Durham
    R&D tax credit possibility????
     
  10. 35B

    35B Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2011
    Messages:
    19,954
    Likes Received:
    16,077
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Grantham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    That would be an interesting stretch - and I've been involved in preparing submissions.
     
  11. lil Bear

    lil Bear Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    Messages:
    6,093
    Likes Received:
    1,429
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Railway Technician
    Location:
    8C / 5D / 27C / 71B
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
  12. Sam 60103

    Sam 60103 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2019
    Messages:
    706
    Likes Received:
    237
    Location:
    Kirkcaldy
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
  13. Gav106

    Gav106 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2010
    Messages:
    1,678
    Likes Received:
    1,827
    Location:
    Nantwich, Cheshire
    The unfortunate truth to the matter is a lot of people won't donate to the locomotive due to the unpopular chairman. This is such a shame as the locomotive looses out. When the locomotive was at Tyseley it was said/reported that it needed a lot of repairs, however the owning group couldn't afford them so chose to try to do the minimal amount and hope it eeks it out, the loco then moved to the west shed where again it was a case of them being told that the loco needed major work, so it then left, went to Carnforth where it was said that an agreement was in place for it to work but clearly they will find the same issues and the owning group simply dont have the funds to pay for its repairs, nor the ability to fundraise quickly.
     
    lil Bear, Paul42, green five and 3 others like this.
  14. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2005
    Messages:
    8,994
    Likes Received:
    6,655
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Alderan !
    To be fair many loco owners I suspect have had to navigate that decision , hope to get an engine back in steam to then earn enough for the next batch of repairs . Main line steam is now more than ever a rich persons game and loco owning societies are up against it especially if not closely aligned with a TOC .

    Having known Clive for many years he has given his life to 6201 along with many of the support crew and for that we should be grateful that it has run so much . The world however has changed whereas the society hasn't which sadly shows now
     
  15. Simon Smith

    Simon Smith New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2022
    Messages:
    29
    Likes Received:
    19
    Location:
    South West
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I'm surprised that they can't get HLF support for the loco, the chairman should be the better man and resign
     
  16. misspentyouth62

    misspentyouth62 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2017
    Messages:
    1,087
    Likes Received:
    1,305
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    34D, now flexible
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    It's academic at this stage in proceedings but I can't help thinking it's a shame that the wealthy family of the her majesty that 6201 was named after (and reason 6201 wasn't scrapped) could undoubtedly have afforded a special gift for their monarch and to their nation for jubilee year in getting this locomotive touring for all to savour and enjoy.

    I'm not posting this as a knock against monarchy as such but if we need wealthy benefactors to fund heritage then I'm confident helping 6201 back to the mainline wouldn't I hope, dent their collective bank balance too much.
     
    26D_M likes this.
  17. Fred Kerr

    Fred Kerr Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2006
    Messages:
    7,564
    Likes Received:
    4,499
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Freelance photo - journalist
    Location:
    Southport
    Perhaps if Prince Charles, a known advocate of steam on the Royal Train, was made aware it could be his personal gift to Her Majesty to become associated with the locomotive's future.
     
    green five, 26D_M, Johnme101 and 2 others like this.
  18. 35B

    35B Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2011
    Messages:
    19,954
    Likes Received:
    16,077
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Grantham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    ...or perhaps, even if the Windsors are aware of 6201's situation, they might wish to avoid getting drawn in too close to a cause that has a coincidence of name?
     
    paullad1984 likes this.
  19. GWR4707

    GWR4707 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    May 12, 2006
    Messages:
    15,786
    Likes Received:
    12,727
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cumbria
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Or perhaps considering the state of the reputation of many of the Windsors at the moment, perhaps the 6201 group would rather not be associated with them.... ;)
     
  20. MellishR

    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    6,712
    Likes Received:
    4,118
    If West Coast could afford to restore locos from Barry condition to add to their running fleet, as they have, they surely could afford the smaller amount of work to get 6201 fit for operation again, if only the owners could agree a suitable "restore and operate" deal.
     

Share This Page