Cath Ex to Newcastle - 10/05/16

This has been posted on the SD site on the timings page for the first 60103 trip:

"In order to avoid overcrowding and incidents of trespass we have been advised not to publish recommended viewing points or the timetable of when the train will be passing through specific locations.

Steam Dreams respectfully asks that all people who wish to see Flying Scotsman do so from a permitted location and do not trespass on the railway. While we understand interest in Flying Scotsman will be extremely high, we urge those wishing to view it on its tour dates do so from a safe vantage point. It is vital that spectators do not venture onto the railway, particularly when it is on the mainline as a full timetable of regular services will be running. "


I wonder if they will appear on RTT?

 

Possibly not if SD have been advised not to publicise them. Could be a request from NR to avoid the incidents that marred the inaugural mainline trip.

Dave B

 

Wasnt the Tornado/Top Gear run kept very quiet timings-wise?

Don't think RTT existed back then,but I don't think the times came up on UKSteam until after it had happened.

 

That is right. Top Gear secrecy.

 

"The people's engine", everyone.

 

As long as it doesn't put profits and revenue at risk.

 

If Network Rail and BTP had done a proper risk assessment for the Kings Cross to York run, then all this secret nonsense would not be needed. St Neots was an obvious problem point, having legitimate public access to a foot crossing. What was wrong with placing a couple of BTP officers there. Good god, you see piles of them at stations when football matches are being played locally.
I think it is an insult to Joe Public, especially those that contributed money towards Scotsman's restoration. I am almost wishing that the thing breaks down, permanently.

 

It's the local rags that pick up on it and advertise it ! People talk about the hype dying down, but everytime the Scotsman goes somewhere it hasn't been in a while, the whole town will hear about it and flock to see it. I'm dreading what's going to happen when it comes through my local park in Sutton Coldfield next month !

 

Sadly we live in an age where authority considers it easier to ban things than police and/or educate people abut the situation.

 

Sadly there have been cuts in the Police Forces all over the country. Most of the Police Stations in my local area have closed and one now has a retirement home built over the site. To report any crimes these days you have to seek out the "Mobile Police Station" in Surrey which parks in various public car parks. I don't know how much the BTP was affected but as you say they come out of the woodwork for Football matches. There are certainly plenty about on the Station when Aldershot play at home.

I was hoping to head out and see 60103 on several of the runs in the South as I have the Bank Holiday Week off at the end of the month.
Trouble is there are a number of foot crossings on the Surrey Hills circuit which could really cause problems when 60103 heads that way. In particular I have seen the wrong kind of spectator going along the line side from a crossing at Albury. When I have told the people they shouldn't be going on the line side the reply usually had off in the sentence. I stopped going there some years ago when the numbers started growing to a very dangerous level. If there are people where they shouldn't be when 60103 goes that way NR certainly won't be impressed.

 

And what about all the man hours that has gone into the loco itself over the last 10 years, clearly you forget the blood, sweat and tears that has taken place over the period of its overhaul. If you feel like that, stay away from it and don't disrespect what other people have put into the project and those who wish to see it, preferably from a safe point of view which I totally encourage obviosuly!

 

Totally agree what an idiotic thing to say an apology will hopefully be forthcoming

 

You forget the sw.... !

I have nothing but admiration for those who have achieved what they have - she looks the mutts & sounds like a finely tuned sewing machine.

 

Which clearly will all be wasted along with the millions of pounds of public money if nobody is going to be allowed to see it running on the network with a proper train behind it and not pulling three or four coaches on some single track heritage railway.

How long will this charade continue, until the boiler ticket expires? They might as well stuff it in the NRM and have done with it.

The most iconic steam locomotive in the world kept a secret from the public.............pathetic!

 

Well if you read the report in the Guardian it says Network Rail will not publish any timings for any of her future journeys. So will they be allocating official photographers to get pictures of her for publicity purposes because nobody else will....

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Your point being?

 

Someone has listed on Facebook, tomorrow's outward timings:

"scotsman from york
Train 1Z62 runs TO from 10/05/16 to 10/05/16
Type STP Diesel Loco Timed at 095mph
Operator WR WEST COAST RAILWAY COMPANY (22244008)

London Kings Cross 0725
Belle Isle 0727
Holloway Sth. Jn. 0728
Finsbury Park 0731
Alexandra Palace 0736
Gordon Hill 0748
Hertford North 0802-0805
Langley Jn 0816
Stevenage 0820
Hitchin 0827-0830
Sandy 0841
Huntingdon 0856-0859
Holme Jn. 0911
Fletton Jn. 0916
Peterborough 0920
Helpston Jn. 0926
Tallington Jn. 0931
Stoke Jn. 0946
Grantham 0951
Claypole Loop 0958
Newark North Gate 1005
Newark F.C. 1006
Retford 1020-1022
Babworth Loop 1025-1032
Loversall Carr Jn 1044
Doncaster 1047
Shaftholme Jn 1052
Temple Hirst Jn. 1059
Hambleton North Jn 1103
Colton Jn 1109
Colton North Jn 1111
York Holgate Siding (Flhh) 1120-1155
York 1158-1203
Skelton Jn. (York) 1206
Tollerton Jn 1215
Thirsk 1228
Longlands Jn 1235
Northallerton 1236
Darlington 1250
Ferryhill Sth. Jn. 1304
Tursdale Jn 1310-1334
Durham 1343-1346
Birtley Jn 1400
King Edward Bridge S. Jn 1405
Newcastle 1409"

Edit: now listed the returns.

"Train 1Z64 runs TO from 10/05/16 to 10/05/16
Type STP Diesel Loco Timed at 075mph
Operator WR WEST COAST RAILWAY COMPANY (22244008)

Newcastle 1544
King Edward Bridge S. Jn 1548
Birtley Jn 1554
Durham Sig Ty358 1606-1624
Durham 1625-1628
Tursdale Jn 1640
Ferryhill Sth. Jn. 1645-1705
Darlington 1720
Northallerton 1733
Longlands Jn 1734
Thirsk 1741
Tollerton Jn 1754
Skelton Jn. (York) 1810
York 1815-1857
Colton Jn 1903
Church Fenton 1909
Milford Jn. 1916
Ferrybridge North Jn 1923
Knottingley West Jn 1924
Knottingley South Jn 1925
Haywood Jn 1936
Shaftholme Jn 1940-1942
Doncaster 1951
Potteric Carr Jn. 1954
Black Carr Jn (Doncaster) 1954
Loversall Carr Jn 2010
Retford 2022-2031
Newark F.C. 2046
Newark North Gate 2048-2056
Claypole Loop 2103
Grantham 2115
Stoke Jn. 2121
Tallington Jn. 2133
Peterborough 2142-2150
Connington South Jn 2200
Huntingdon 2209-2212
Sandy 2227
Hitchin 2240-2242
Stevenage 2248
Langley Jn 2249
Hertford North 2301-2304
Gordon Hill 2315
Alexandra Palace 2321
Finsbury Park 2327-2334
Holloway Sth. Jn. 2338
Belle Isle 2340
London Kings Cross 2342"

 

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U59966/2016/05/10/advanced

ECS for today's trip. 47580 and 47760 leading, 33207 on the rear, just seen heading towards Hornsey signal K440 to reverse before heading into King's Cross.

Edit - didn't notice the second 47! It's been a long night at work....