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Current and Proposed New-Builds

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by aron33, Aug 15, 2017.

  1. 30854

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    Have you just rumbled the latest stealth new build? :)
     
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    That's the point of a cheeky flutter isn't it? I've seen bits of cab and bunker in the background of pics. Lubrication runs are the fiddly bits that might slow it down.
     
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    From watching the build of Beachy Head, it is the small stuff that takes an inordinate length of time. All the pipe runs, holding brackets, hand rail fixings and so on. Lots of small components, most of which are bespoke and all of which require individual fitting.

    What sort of brakes does the G5 have? A mixed system (for example air and vacuum, or steam and vacuum) is more complex to fit than a loco with straight vacuum, for example.

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    I'm building a fully-working, life-size replica of an F117 Nighthawk "stealth" plane in my back garden - photo below:







    Now, if you'd all just like to troll along to my JustGiving page and help fund it - remember, the quicker the funds roll in, the quicker you'll be able to see it. Oh hang on - the quicker you'll not be able to see it. But it is there, honest ... :)

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    The Emperor's new build project...
     
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    I suspect opinions will always differ on that.
     
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    The G5s were built (1894-1901) with air braking for engine and train. Vacuum ejectors for alternative train braking were added to a few engines in NER days, and to the remainder by the LNER in 1928-30. From 1937 onward, some engines had the air brake replaced by steam brake, but the majority retained air brake until withdrawal in the 1950s.

    So the G5 project team have options, which will likely be influenced by how historically authentic they wish to be and which period(s) they wish their new-build engine to represent. If you scroll down to the final paragraphs in this web page, indications are that they are going for the air brake plus vacuum ejector option, similar to some preserved LBSC and GE locos.

    https://www.g5locomotiveltd.co.uk/page/building-progress/
     
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    Yes; there's almost a complete spectrum (from one extreme to another) of how much of a loco is newly constructed, and I suspect opinions will vary on exactly where on that spectrum one will find 'new builds', 're-builds', etc. For instance, I think most would agree that is a 84030 is a 're-build', and that 82045 is a 'new build'. However, 6880 and 4709 are in a ambiguous middle area; major re-used elements, but also major new ones.

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    My view, for what it's worth is that IF a 'complete' (which could anything from a Barry loco, to a working loco, to a museum piece) is dismantled in order to build a loco that it never was then it should not be referred to as a 'New Build', but something more along the line of a 'Conversion', whereas something like the J15/Y14 would be 'Rebuilt (or Reverted) to original specification'. If a loco was to be reffered to as 'Built from parts' then I would expect the 'Parts' involved to be either surviving parts from loco's scrapped at the end of their 'Working lives' or in unusual cases 'New old stock' (very unlikely). I view swapping of boilers to be fair game, but NOT if the loco that supplied the boiler 'Ceases to Be'.
     
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    Thinking more along the lines of something with 9 cylinders and fully enclosed cabs such as this…
    16D71F50-54F5-4B09-9BC7-7B1F39760D0D.jpeg And all because the gent in Yorkshire loves Milk Tray… (no names mentioned @Victor) how about this? 66A8F5D5-B782-4DEF-966B-91D96869BAE0.jpeg
     
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    Rebuild, using the criteria above. Original components used(power unit) class 37 bodyshell adapted.
     
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    I never actually saw a Baby Deltic. As for the Porterbrook...........lovely:), although I'm not impressed by the Finsbury Park trade mark, I nevr liked it on any of their locomotives.
     
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    How long does it take for a baby deltic to grow into a full sized one, ?:D
     
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    infant mortality was a big problem
     
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    Fair enough, but if you apply that rule strictly there were never any new Granges - or Dukedogs, or 72xx 2-8-2Ts or even GWR built Manors.
     
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    Depends on what you feed it :)
     
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    Really? I really liked it on 22 a few years ago when it was masquerading as 3 and 7, thought it was a nice subtle touch by FP, it goes rather nice with rail blue as well in my own opinion unlike the massive union flags on some of those things that Stratford outshopped in 1977. :confused::confused:
     
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    2 years.
    Baby Deltic 1959
    Full monty 1961
     
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    Err.....actually only 9-cylinder engines in these.
     
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    Edited! Bear in mind this was posted rather early this morning when the postee was half asleep and didn’t bother to check his facts sheet :)
     

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