Dreadnought Baltic Tank

I have obtained a collection of photos all taken in the 1930’s and early 1940’s of locos of the big 4
These photos are of LMS locos and this photo of
11116 (Hughes LMS-L&YR Horwich built Dreadnought Baltic tank) is a design i had never heard of before, anyone else heard of them?
unknown location and year but probably late 1930’s
http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/LMSSteam/George-Hughes/George-Hughes-Lancashire/i-HQ7TVtz
Neil

 

http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/LMSSteam/George-Hughes/George-Hughes-Lancashire/i-HQ7TVtz = Looks like Manchester Victoria on a Manchester - Blackpool service

For further info try : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L&YR_Hughes_4-6-4T OR

4-6-0

Proc. Instn Mech. Engrs, 1909, 77, 561-653 Locomotives designed and built at Horwich with some results..

Cox (Locomotive panorama 1 p. 11 noted that with very little teething trouble the class achieved a "standard of achievement far higher than anything seen on the parent line up to that time." In line with the rebuilds, a new series was built in batches between 1920 and 1923. The 1923 batch was mentioned in contemporary literature, but a modified series introduced in 1924 does not. This latter series originated as parts for the 4-6-4T design of which only ten out of the order for thirty were built. The 4-6-4Ts received detailed attention. Chapter 5 of E. Mason's The Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway in the twentieth century should also be noted as it is entitled "Hughes' four-cylinder 4-6-0s". According to Nock (Great locomotives of the LMS) comparative tests of the rebuilt locomotives with the 4P compunds showed the 4-6-0s to have a very high fuel consumption. According to Marshall (pp, 193-4) the modernized series suffered from leakage in the piston valves, problems in the back pressure relief valves, air being drawn into the smokebox and axlebox lubrication. The five unmodified locomotives were withdrawn in the 1920s, but most of the others went in the 1930s, although No. 10455 lasted until October 1951 Atkins considers that in their final state they were "near miss"...

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4-6-4T

5P: 1924: Hughes
This class was the final British express tank engine design. In all the LMS inherited three classes of this type and Hughes added the fourth. The design was based on the rebuilt L&YR 4-6-0s and incorporated four cylinders. It was a most impressive looking locomotive, but performance, especially fuel consumption, was poor. Marshall deals briefly with them in V3. pp. 194-7..

"BALTIC" type tank locomotive, LM.&S.R. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1924, 30. 105-6. 2 diagrs. (s. & f. els), plan.
"BALTIC" type tank locomotive, L.M.&S. Ry.. Loco. Rly Carr. Wagon Rev., 1924, 30, 142-4 + folding plate. diagr. (s. el.), plan.
Sectionalized diagrams included.
FOUR-CYLINDER "Baltic" tank engine, London, Midland & Scottish Railway. Rly Engr, 1924, 45, 281-2. 2 illus., diagr. (s.el.)
FOUR-CYLINDER 4-6-4 express tank locomotive, L.M.S.R.. Rly Mag., 1924, 54, 396-8. illus.
L.M.S. Railway-Baltic tank locomotive. Engineer, 1924, 138, 582-3. illus., 3 diagrs., 2 plans.
Sectionalized diagrams included.
LM.S. Railway 4-6-4 "Baltic" tank engines. Engineer, 1924, 137, 454. diagr. (s. & r. els.), plan.
Marshall notes that an editorial in The Engineer of 1924 (May) p. 602 was critical of the type.
NEW four-cylinder "Baltic" 4-6-4 type tank engine; London, Midland & Scottish Railway. Rly Engr. 1924, 45, 166-7; 207-9 + folding plate. 3 illus., 4 diagrs. (md. sel.), plan.
Includes a sectionalized diagram.

Retrospective and critical
Atkins, P. West coast 4-6-0s at work. 1981. Chap. 9. The Hughes 'Dreadnoughts'.
Mentions tests conducted in 1930 in the Manchester area between this type and a Fowler 2-6-4T: the latter consumed 19% less fuel.
Hawley, R.A The "Dreadnoughts" and Baltics of the Lancashire & Yorkshire Rly.. Trains ill., 1952, 5, 440-4. 5 illus., table.
A detailed historyMiddlemass, Tom. The 'Baltic' tanks. Backtrack, 1991, 5, 281-7..
Whitelegg, RM. Glasgow and South Western Railway notes. J. Stephenson Loco. Soc., 1951, 27, 267-71; 257-8; 283. 5 illus.
Whitelegg justified his use of the 4-6-4T on the L.T. & S.R . and asserted that the Hughes design was based upon his G.& S.W.R. design.

Livery
Atkins, P. West coast 4-6-0s at work. 1981. Chap. 9. The Hughes 'Dreadnoughts'.
Although Atkins is somewhat unclear as to which livery was applied to the class, it is clear that No. 11112 was painted in crimson lake for the Stockton & Darlington Railway Centenary celebration.