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Ebor Flyer - A1ST and Tornado: 14/04/18

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by bleeder4, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. dublo6231

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    Evening everyone,


    For a week now I've watched and re-watched this You Tube clip below. I've played it on a large screen TV and forwarded the frame by frame footage...





    I was onboard the tour as were a lot of others who frequent this forum - but there is something about this clip that just nags at me (and the reason why I've watched it so many times) as to possibly giving some clues as to why Tornado failed. This is not an attempt to offer any technical nor mechanical advice - but please bare with me and watch the clip after having read on.

    The first thing I noticed when the clip starts is something that appears to be "within the four foot" on the stretch of track that Tornado is running on. It is not clear (in fact it may be nothing other than camera distortion) as to what it is but it does appear to move with air turbulence.

    You will see this object (again supposition but to me looks like a black bin bag or the like) remain in situ as loco passes over it (around 0:50 into the clip). Watch the next 20 seconds it almost looks like something has happened and there is a release of smoke (at around 1:07) from the front end pretty much at the point that I'd expect to be the middle cylinder to be situated.

    Is it possible that this object has been picked up by the air turbulence and pulled into the motion and thus possibly contributed to something that ultimately lead to the failure? This was filmed at Arlesey station a few miles prior to where we finally came to a stop but from seeing clips and my own notes the brakes come on for the first time just as we passed Biggleswade station and possibly enough time to start the cause of the failure?

    Is it plausible, or am I wanting to see something that contributed to what happened that is ultimately not there.

    Tell me ladies and gentleman - after watching the clip what do you think - is it something or is it nothing!


    Mods - was not sure which thread this (or the Ebor Flyer one) this was best aimed at so have put into both. Please amend if you see fit and remove if required.
     
  2. jonathonag

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    Watching the video, I wouldn't believe that the item would have had an effect. It didn't look like it was pulled up firstly, instead it seems the object stayed in position until out of sight. And had it been a plastic bag, it would be more likely torn to shreds within the motion than cause any lubrication problems.

    The quick discharge of steam you see I would imagine is tied in to a safety valve on the air brake system. The air brake pump will charge, most likely continually, and occasionally have to discharge to avoid over pressurising the system.

    That's just my guess, not being familiar with Tornados air brake system.
     
  3. Big Al

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    Looks to me like the shadow of something to the left of the viewing position. May even be the top of the London bound signal.
     
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    The object the loco passes over at around 0:50 is the AWS equipment associated with the signal it passes a few seconds later. I'm sure it stayed in the four-foot.
     
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    Perhaps it was a bag of nuts, dropped by the squirrel that appears 0:30 - 0:37 !!
     

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