KWVR Black 5 45212

probably will at some point replace bahamas in the shed at oxenhope, and then join the KWVR's long overhaul queue.

 

I have heard from KWVR volunteers that a deal to get 45212 restored quickly is under negotiation. Two parties have shown an interest. The loco is reported to be in good condition mechanically. Pete Best has a letter in the latest NYMR Moorsline magazine in which he states he was a bit disappointed that the NYMR didn't keep the engine on until the end of its 10 year ticket as his company lost out financially. It certainly gave a good account of itself during the last spell of activity and I know the NYMR crews miss it.

 

The timing of the locomotive's return to KWVR was Mr Best's - the NYMR would have happily retained it for longer. I seem to recall that the loco spending its last few months back on KWVR was always said to be part of Mr Best's agreement with KWVR.

 

Stephen

Yes I know the agreement said that the loco would go back to the KWVR at the end of its 10 year ticket. In his letter in the NYMR magazine as I said earlier Pete Best was quite clearly unhappy with the conclusion of the hire agreement saying that his loco restore and run company lost out, his words not mine.

 

Presumable this will be an off site restoration by a third party? I'm looking at the list of engines currently being restored and the queue afterwords and wondering where it would fit in.

Also, just to add another question, is this for running on the KWVR or somewhere else? I've heard worries that with the amount of time overhauls are taking, there will be engine shortage in a few years. Is it possible that they've chosen this route to bolster they're own numbers rather than another loan?

 

I think KWVR would like it to based at keighley this time around, but maybe a mainline option funded by the 3rd party, being close to settle KWVR is in an ideal spot to combine both options.

 

I don't know what deal the KWVR would like for 45212 but one of the parties who was interested in doing a restore and run deal would run it mainline, I understand an agreement is on the cards, lets hope so. If it comes off an announcement will probably be made soon and it's best to wait and see if anything does actually happen.

With regards to other locos, the KWVR has lost Taff Vale 85 and the Jinty for 10 year overhauls and 41241, 80002 and 957 are all nearing the end of their tickets. Still its hardly like it was back in 1999-2001 when the line only had Bellerophon, then 85 and a visiting 45337. The WD has around 6 years on its ticket, 43924 is newly outshopped and 75078, the L&Y saddletank and Big Jim are well on the road back to use. Add in Nunlow and the Coal Tank and it's a great collection of locos.

At the last gala the impression I came away with was what a superb selection of locos and coaches I had seen in use.

 

And of course city of wells.

With regards to 212, the guys who were at Kwvr doing shed tours at the gala were openly telling people the plans for it. In back they were telling members of the railway press, although they may not of known that this person was press.

I don't know if it should be written yet tho.
If anyone from the worth valley knows more on if it can be talked about let us know

Gav

 

Rumour control has it that the loco is going to the Riley stable. Can anyone confirm this?

 

Despite the usual amount of speculation and rumour, the situation with 45212 is as follows. With the lapsing of its 10 year boiler certificate last October it was decided that a number of options for the locos future where to be looked into which would include overhauling the loco in-house at the kWVR. At present negotiations are going on with a number of third parties with regard to future restoration of 45212, as is consideration of an in-house restoration. No decision will be taken with regard to 45212 until all negotiations are concuded. The main consideration being taken is for for the loco to be restored rather than stored. As soon as a decision is taken on the future of 45212 details will be advised, but until such time any postings reported to be giving details of the future path for 45212 are just rumours and conjecture.

many Thanks
a25marc

 

70 Years on and the Black 5 is still everyones must have loco.

 

According to the latest SR received today (page 20), Ian Riley is on the verge of completing an agreement where it will overhauled to main line standards.

 

Surely for insurance purposes, even on heritage lines, all rail vehicles have to be overhauled to meet certain standards and its just the ancillary equipment that changes ? If it isnt then it should be.
the brakes not working for instance on a steeply graded heritage line will be just as disastrous as on the ecml...

If an arrangement with NYMR is to be revived then Esk Valley line usage would be usefull ...?

 

All locos are restored to "mainline standards" as a matter of course. The difference between this and being mainline certified is what gets people confused. As you said, mainline certification requires installation of all the electrical gubbins such as TPWS & OTMR.
There was some confusion on this with Jeremy Hosking's purchase of the standard tank 80079, where there was a statement that Mr Hosking would be restoring the loco to "mainline standards", which people assumed to mean that '79 will be going out on the mainline. That has never been confirmed.

 

If an arrangement with NYMR is to be revived then Esk Valley line usage would be usefull ...?

I doubt if Ian Riley is taking the loco on with the NYMR in mind, although I would expect it to be a regular visitor, just as 44871 and 45407 are.

 

The actual wording is,
"overhauled to main line operation for the first time since 1968".