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Locomotives that have worked on 3 continents

Тема в разделе 'Steam Traction', создана пользователем ADB968008, 17 мар 2012.

  1. ADB968008

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    Re: Scotsman Overhaul updates

    This post is a continuation of a discussion started in the 4472 thread regarding locomotives that have worked on 3 continents.

    As it's worthy of a discussion of it's own.. the posts have been moved here.


    Unfortunately not.

    That honour goes to several USA S160's, built in the US, transported to Europe and later sent to the Korean Peninsular.
     
  2. Martin Perry

    Martin Perry Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator Friend

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    Did the ones that ended up in China share that honour?
     
  3. ADB968008

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    Re: Scotsman Overhaul updates

    S160's did indeed fight on both sides of the Korean War..

    it's not beyond reason to assume the Chinese ones also saw service in Europe.

    There is a surviving S160 in no mans land in North / South Korea... but I don't know if it's route there was US-Europe-US-South Korea, or US-Europe-North Korea.

    Still the 3 continents club is a bit of an elite membership..
     
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    Re: Scotsman Overhaul updates

    Well, you learn something new every day! I think 4472 can still claim to be the first to haul fare-paying passengers in three continents, however, since presumably the S160s would only have run for test purposes in the USA. (Before anyone queries it - she did haul fare-paying passengers at the very end of her US tour, on the San Fransisco belt railroad.)
     
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    Re: Scotsman Overhaul updates

    There are a number of British-built ex-South African Railways locos now in New Zealand.
     
  6. ADB968008

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    Re: Scotsman Overhaul updates

    I was thinking to quote these, but aren't they Garratts.. and as such unlikely to have been even fully assembled in the UK prior to despatch to Africa ?

    However did the preserved Aussie ROD's see any service in North Africa ?.. that would put them in the club ?

    Now if Lew was sold onto Africa, as some rumours have recently suggested...
     
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    I think the Deans Goods also qualifies as a member of that select club. UK, Northern and Southern Europe, Middle East, North Africa and China
     
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    Re: Scotsman Overhaul updates

    6 ROD 2-8-0s worked in England, went to Egypt and were later transfered to Iraq. (3 Continents)
    Also 109 Stanier 2-8-0s sent from Britain to Persia were transfered to Egypt. 48773 was one of these. Some were later moved to Italy and some returned to Britain.
     
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    Re: Scotsman Overhaul updates

    There was at least one Garratt (a GMAM) but also a Class 24 2-8-4 and a couple of Class 25NC 4-8-4s
     
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    Re: Scotsman Overhaul updates

    An interesting title to this thread, which has unfortunately been sidetracked from the first reply.

    There are probably hundreds of locos that were built in Europe and America that ultimately worked on two seperate continents, but they did not "work" as such where they were built. Take for example the British built metre guage locos transferred from India to East Africa at the turn of the last century. They certainly never worked in Britian before being exported. The same can be said of the American built S160s in WW2.

    If you take the thread title literally and concentrate on those locos that have actually "worked" on three continents then the field is narrowed down to a mere handful. Apart from 4472 the only possible contenders that I can think of are a very few 8Fs, even fewer RODs and possibly a Dean Goods or two. I suspect there may be more candidates to this list and would be interested to hear of them.

    Peter James
     
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    Would the replica "Rocket" qualify?
    US, Europe and Japan I believe.
    It also holds the world speed record for a Steam Loco.


    Well it was flying at a couple of hundred MPH in a plane at the time.
     
  12. MuzTrem

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    One other member of the "club" occurs to me: Darjeeling "B" No. 19 (India, USA, Britain).
     
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    Again in the category 'did they ever work in the USA' you could include the ng WW1 Baldwins imported into the UK from Indian Sugar Mills.
     
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    The NRM's duty now seems clear.
    Towards the end of its ticket they should send 4472 on a short trip to Africa - how does Egypt sound?
    That would make four continents.................
    ;-)
     
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    Almost all of you are talking arrant nonsense. Gt Britain and Japan are not continents. Separate countries are not continents.

    The continents are: Europe (the mainland East of the 'Channel), Asia (the mainland East of the Ural Mountains, West of Vladivostok), North America, South America, Africa, Australia and Antarctica.

    You need to limit yourselves to talking about locomotives which have worked on at least three of these.

    Some USATC S160s would qualify. 60103 (last service number) 'Flying Scotsman' would qualify. There *might* be a Dean Goods or two that saw service on mainland Europe, then Egypt (Africa), then off to China.

    Remember the title of the thread.
     
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    So, my post about the RODs and 8Fs is incorrect is it? The information came from J.W.P. Rowledge's books. He knew what he was talking about.
     
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    ... and you may be taking this a little too seriously ;)
     
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    I may be...

    But I'm also wrong. Looks like I write arrant nonsense too. Well, it is 1:41 a.m. on Wednesday morning as I write this...

    'Flying Scotsman' is not a member of the 'Three Continents' Club. UK (not a continent, a series of islands), USA (north America) and Australia equals two continents only.

    I forgot that the 8K group saw service in Mainland Europe, Africa (Egypt) and Australia. Did any of the 14 RODs sent here to Oz work in Africa? I thought that they saw service in France and did not get to Egypt with the others before coming here. Perhaps some of the WD requisitioned locos that went to France then went to Egypt then off to Chine. Dunno.

    8Fs on three continents? I can think of three continents, Egypt (Africa), Turkey (Eurpoe and Asia). Did any of the Turkish locos see service in Egypt (or Iraq?).
     
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    UK is in Europe. The batch of 8Fs worked in Persia (Asia), Egypt (Africa) and UK or Italy (Europe). End of story.
     

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