Room for one more in the NRM?

Okay i dont know what sort of responce this is going to get but just bare with me. We all see the results of the fantastic work of the preservationist everytime we visit our local line or go out to see a tour rumble past a location or station, but and its just an idea! Why dont we have one a loco kept in say barry condition, just so younger generations can see just what everyone started with, and how much work has gone into getting what we see and enjoy today.

I guess one of the Barry Ten would be ideal for this (oh o not the Barry ten again lol) but just thought it would be interesting to see others opinons on this?

and lastly would the NRM even consider having a rusting hulk sitting along its gleaming examples of history??

all the best
Matt

 

Well i think that's a smashing idea

 

personally, i think that is a brillaint idea. Would really give people a proper insight into the work that had to go into restoring all the engines that we see and enjoy today. Anyone who's restored engines can tell you, a picture off before and after, never gives teh "after" masterpiece the justice it deserves. Standing it next to something that is "before" however, well i would imagine that would make more of an impact.

Folks may appreciate their countries historical turning point more, when they see what was thought off it 50 years ago after the industrial revolution had finished and how our contries engineering legecy was allowed to turn into quite frankly, a feble shadow off its former self.

 

Not in the main hall but in the works to show just what effort is needed to put a loco back in operation

 

We have thought about it. See what the next few years brings ;-)

 

Yes, I think this is a good idea too. If possible, it would be really impressive to have 2 examples of the locomotive side by side, one restored and one in ex-Barry condition. Suggestions anyone? I know that at Swindon's STEAM museum 42xx No 4248 is on display pretty much in its ex-Barry state but it has been partially cosmetically restored to give the impression that it is "in the Works" for an overhaul. In this regard it is an excellent educational centrepiece. However, that's not quite the same as having a "Barry Survivor" on display at the NRM. One of the remaining 28xxs would be good (not 2807, which is nearly restored now!) as it could be posed alongside 2818. Yes, I think that would be good.

 

I think this is a really good idea and surprised it hasnt already been done years ago.

Bearing in mind how many of the preserved steam engines came out of Barry, it is a huge piece of history in its own right, and worthy of being represented.

What made me laugh on another topic which mentioned this, someone said '' but how long before there is a steam magazine readers appeal to restore it back to steam! ''

Thought how true lol

 

I think its a wonderful idea. Also as others have said shows the sort of work involved. May have that someday on the highland at Dinas when 134s running with unrestored 133 on display.

Regards

Duncan

 

not necessarily at the NRM but this idea is surely a money spinner..if Joe Public realised the work involved in restoration, he might be inclined to dig deeper,,,,,

 

This idea has come up a few times before. IIRC, there was a suggestion a few years back that the Fowler 4F, now at the GWSR, was a suitable candidate. There are quite a few Bulleids around that would be suitable. Maybe John Bunch (or is it Ian Riley?) would loan 249 Sqdn? They could dawb "for sale" and a phone number in whitewash on the side, for added authenticity. Winston Churchill, which was preserved when withdrawn by BR, would provide the necessary contrast.

 

It's a nice idea and one i would like to see as most of the engines preserved came from that scrapyard in Barry. Unfortunately there are still plenty of candidates to choose from out that are still in barry condition but i would go for the 9F at Barry since it has no hope of moving anywhere in the near to long term future.

 

i'm glad this didn't get shot down

so from reading this it seems it would be a good idea, and Anthony has already said the NRM has considered this, so whats holding them back!! As mentioned it could prove to be a good way to get people to realise how much hard work goes into it. Be more in thier face so to say then, and this is just an exmaple, the scrpa line at Ropley just outside the station

 

I didn't realise that there was still a 9F at Barry, but that in my mind would be the ideal candidate, as if and when they get Evening Star back at York, you would have a great before and after.

 

Would that also include the exposed sheets of asbestos lagging?
Or would it be a cleaned up H+S compliant exhibit?

 

It's 92245 - an ex-S&D machine once upon a time. When the Bluebell were looking for a 9F, they passed over it in favour of 92240 purely on the grounds of condition, even though 92245 would obviously have made a good companion for fellow ex-S&D no. 75027.

If this idea does take off, it would be the best engine of the "Barry eight" (or however many are left of the original ten), for unlike some of the GWR locos, there's not much you can turn all or part of an unrestored 9F into except....a restored 9F, and that looks pretty unlikely at the present.

 

Ploughman I think you probably know the answer to that one.;-) Many things on display at national museums need a small amount of sanitizing before they get near the public. Presumably the NRM employ conservators to do this sort of stuff ?

Any of who whom have been to the excellent Duxford Aviation museum will know how fascinating it is to see some historic airframes that have been dug out of a lake/barn/bog somewhere sitting nearby a fully restored flyable example

 

One of the Merchant Navies may be a good idea...

They are expensive to restore and and not massively popular with preserved railways... but there are a more than a few of them.

Isnt one being used for parts for 35027 and / or 35010 ? Maybe it could be parked next to the sectioned side of 35029 at the NRM afterwards.

This way in 1 locomotive class you can see the outside restored, insides for mechanics and scrap condition at the start... and dont forget 35029 came from Barry... and it's an engine that'll never be restored anyway.

 

35010 is awaiting restoration at the Colne Valley Railway, the MN donating parts to 35027 is 35022 'Holland America Line'.

And isn't the idea of a doner locomotive to provide spares both before and while the other locomotive is in traffic? Remember someone owns these locomotives, so if they did go on display wouldn't some form of loan agreement need to be made?

35010 would make a good example as she is in presentable condition and has what was probably classed as one of those mission impossible restoration tasks with the cylinder. Would be a good example to show what groups like the 71000 team had to overcome. Although of course the group who own her want to eventually restore her after the Black 5, not sure if we will ever see her steam again though.

 

free storage under cover might be attractive to an owner....