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RTC 2023

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by Bulleid Pacific, Oct 1, 2022.

  1. 30567

    30567 Part of the furniture Friend

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    Yes a number of us will recall the GB XII day out on 1 May 2019 behind 60009 and helper. 0915 EDI 1348 ABZ via Ladybank and Perth . Scheduled 1542 ABZ 2039 EDI via Stirling. Actual 1718/2135. There were problems that day getting to Ferryhill and back. Assuming it's via Perth both ways, it's probably a 12 hour round trip. Great day though.
     
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    60163 is RA9 and I suspect 60103 is as well.

    I'm sure we have been over the business of the RA of the Tay bridge before.
    The latest guidance in the Sectional Appendix is certain freight vehicles up to a maximum of RA8. No double heading apart from class 73's or classes 66 & 73.
    More severe restrictions may be imposed in windy conditions.

    Cheers, Neil
     
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    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    I checked. Flying Scotsman is RA9.

    Tornado has been over the Tay Bridge but that was then. I think things have changed since then.

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    The Flying Scotsman Aberdeen trip is now showing as running via Perth which is to put it mildly not surprising. Two Questions though:
    1. The Great Britain is showing via Perth both ways so does this mean that it will be hauled by a Pacific because AFAIK 46115 for instance could cross the Tay Bridge?
    2. How after many years earlier this year where 2 37s allowed to cross the bridge double heading which AFAIK is prohibited just like a pacific steam loco such as 60103 or 60163?
     
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    In regard to point 1, I imagine the generic path for 'The Aberdonian' will be used for both the GB and Flying Scotsman tours as is much easier for NR to create one set of regular pathing, one which is relatively gauge friendly. This doesn't mean that the GB may not be No. 46115, or anything else smaller than a Pacific, to Aberdeen. It just means that Carnforth's hands are not tied should only a Pacific be available on the day.
     
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    Allegedly the double headed 37 tour was allowed on the basis that there was notification in advance from the tour promoter. Why would after years of double heading being prohibited (with the exception of 73s) suddenly NR allow it? Also will NR ever allow a pacific on the Tay Bridge ever again?
     
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    Is it worth you making a FOI request to Network Rail for that info ?
     
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    I don’t know to be honest. I just find it odd how double headed 37s was allowed because they notified in advance.
     
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    That is puzzling. Doesn't every special working have to be notified in advance for a path to be found, whether or not the traction requires any additional checks?
     
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    For one off movements permission, often with extra restrictions, can be given by the structures engineer. If both class 37's were in original condition (RA6?) I can see how it would be allowed. The blanket restrictions are to stop anything which could be borderline on restrictions from being run over there.
    Checking route clearances and route availability is part of the validation process. Tour operators can check these things as far as possible before advertising or submitting a bid.

    Thinking back, the Imberhorne spoil trains from the Bluebell extension, had a variety of restrictions on speed, loading and loco type over the Oxted line viaducts. They were WTT trains and had their own RT3973 HAW form ( Exceptional Load authority) for those workings.

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    Similarly, the Borders route to Tweedbank is officially classed as RA3. This has meant that on previous steam visits, multiple speed restrictions (particularly over the refurbished twin deck bridges) were in place. The heavier the locomotive, the more bridges cropped up on the restriction list and the more restrictive the speed issued.
     
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    Is that not is meant by "The Carnforth Pool" in the RTC description?
     
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    Would think one of the Southern engines before the Scot. Having said that 46115 did brilliant on The Edinburgh Flyer last month.

    Same goes for 2 other tours for RTC.
    Bath and Gloucester steam express Feb 4 and the Cheshireman March 4.
     
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    45690 is listed as a visitor to the Keighley and Worth Valley gala at the start of March, so must be considered healthy. Also reports of a possible visit to the Lakeside and Haverthwaite railway if costs can be covered, for a Beet family loco get together.
     
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    Lakeside charter was cancelled this week due to 46441 not going to be ready
     
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    That's a shame, hope there is another opportunity.
     
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    Didn’t think 46441 was ever in the picture for the charter as wasn’t it 45690 if enough tickets were sold ?
     
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    Not for the charters but it was explained to me that the owners wanted both 45690 and 46441 to visit the line for some private running but with the Class 2 not going to be be ready on time, 45690’s visit was pulled. As usual, don’t shoot the messenger.
     
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    That information is correct. The charter itself had enough booked on for it to run. 45690 and 46441 share the same owner, hence the desire to run both together before Leander is due for withdrawal for overhaul in early November 2023.
     
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