Sheds with LMS and LNER Pacifcs

What depots would have had pacifics from both the LMS and LNER that drivers from that shed would have driven, particularly in BR days? Perth is the only one I can think of where LMS pacifics came up WCML regularly and LNER ones came from Edinburgh on the Glenfarg line daily and on the Glasgow-Aberdeens. Were there any others that had drivers signing both pacifics from both companies on a regular basis?

 

Holbeck had A3 pacifics on its allocation in the 60's for working to Carlisle over the S&C. I'm sure that Kingmoor and Upperby men would have had turns that utilised these locos as well as their natural pacifics.

 

Polmadie, in addition to Coronation & Princess Royal class locos, had 3 A2's on its allocation; and with the closure of Carlisle Canal, Waverley route traffic was then handled by Kingmoor which meant that both LMS and LNER pacifics were seen on shed there.

 

With the introduction of the Brits & Clans, presumably some sheds ended up with three railway's pacifics?

 

Yes - again Perth men would have been familiar with both as would Polmadie and Kingmoor men too based on comments above.

 

During Christmas 1963 8A Edge Hill had A3 60045 Lemberg on shed alongside the four Big Uns. It arrived on shed on Christmas Eve, having worked right through to Liverpool Lime Street with an ex-Newcastle train. It departed back home on Boxing Day.

 

I don't think drivers signed for loco types. They were expected to drive anything that turned up.

 

That is my understanding of it too. I am sure in 'Steam in the Blood' Hardy mentions how odd it was that each new diesel type required specific training and signing for, when steam men were expected to run whatever they were given. Presumably the men would have worked on locomotive types as firemen so would have some understanding of them when they came to drive them. I wonder if some 'local' training was given by the Locomotive Inspectors if a number of new locomotives were introduced?

On a side note I think most heritage lines will produce a briefing note when a loco comes in to service, especially if it is substantially different to the current fleet. A good example would be when the Dukedog returned at the Bluebell.

 

I don't know about Crewe but A3s certainly worked Carlisle to Glasgow via Beatock.

 

Do you have a link Martin?

 

Not sure of the service or route but here is A3 Lemberg at Carlisle

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Neil

 

The SMS referred to is the Foxfield's own Safety Management System, with which they were not compliant in this case, according to the RAIB report. All operators have to have an SMS, but they are not all identical I imagine, as railways (and other guided transport systems) differ in the exact nature of their operations.

So the requirement

was actually Foxfield's own (but other railways etc probably include something similar in their SMS).

 

Not sure of the service or route but here is A3 Lemberg at Carlisle

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Tempted to suggest this was a Carlisle - Newcastle service as the only other options of an S&C service would normally be leaving Carlisle in daylight hours or - at nightime - be hauling sleeping cars. The Sc/ E lettering of the coach number strengthens this opinion.

 

It looks cold and dark in that photograph !

 

I'd put my money on the fact she worked an Anglo-Scottish service from Edinburgh via the Waverley route and would come off that train @ Carlisle to be replaced by whatever took the train forward over Shap or the S and C. Or vice versa of course, I can't really make out which side/end of Carlisle she is sitting in.

 

*removed*

 

In response to 60017 the A3 is at the South End of the station as evidenced by the background wall. The fact that the train has passengers aboard suggests the train is ready to depart and as I cannot recall many ex LNER locos heading over the S&C at night ( except on the Waverley and Thames Clyde sleepers but that would be in the early hours of the morning [i.e. between midnight and 01:00]) it strengthens my view that the train is one of the regular Carlisle - Newcastle services for which Gateshead would suppply a Pacific for the round trip. Also 60045 Lemberg was a Gateshead A3 at the time thus supporting the view that it was a Carlisle - Newcastle service. As noted by others I would expect that even when Polmadie had an allocation of A2s their operation over the WCML between Carlisle and Crewe would be rare and - if it did arise - would be on an overnight working when few observers would be around.