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Steam Dreams Surrey Hills Trip with 60103 Flying Scotsman.

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by D1002, May 20, 2021.

  1. D1002

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    Filmed at Betchworth.

     
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    Arriving back at Victoria after the lunchtime trip.
     

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    A serious question; Clan Line regularly takes over 500 tons round this circuit unassisted so why did this one need an oilbox on the back?
     
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    Dragging the stock back out of Victoria back to Acton for servicing prior to the evening run. Probably easier to leave the diesel on the back than find multiple l/e paths.
     
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    They could do what happens on the Belmond, after assisting up Grosvenor Bank, it drops off at the top and then stabled until the train comes back
     
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    You’ve still got to find somewhere to stable it.
     
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    And doesn't stabling cost?
     
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    And WC only has access to Southall.
     
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    'Hauling', I hope, otherwise the wheels would flatten quickly!
     
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    35028 is classified 8P whereas 60103 is 7P, so it could be surmised that 35028 is less likely to need assistance. The class 47 was 'dead' in tow whenever I saw the train but I suppose it could be used if problems were encountered. More pertinently, I imagine it was easier to leave it on than find a space for it elsewhere.
     
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    The diesel obviously helped up Gomshall, possibly also up out of Redhill - do the maths - but it shouldn't have been needed elsewhere.
     
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    FS - near the summit of Gomshall Bank, yesterday

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    I think it the past WCRC may have also used Willesden SWS, but even that is somewhat inconvenient from Victoria.
     
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    Filmed at Shere Heath on the afternoon run, followed by Virginia Water, Addlestone, and storming up Gomshall on the evening run:

     
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    On both occasions I saw it climbing Gomshall Bank the diesel didn't seem to be helping. It might've been lifting its own weight, but without the water stop at Shalford it went through there a lot quicker than usual, so had a good attack up the climb.
     
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    The 47 was doing some work on its slow crawl through the traffic jam down through Woking in the evening, but I think that was more for slow (very slow) control than traction.
     
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    Why is it obvious, when others have reported no help from the diesel? Not sure what maths has to do with it; I'm just going by what I saw and others have reported.
     
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    Sorry. I thought that it was obvious that a Class 7 plus 12 plus a Cl 47 = 16 equivalent would be hard pushed to get up a 1 in 100 without some help. At the very least the diesel would try to carry its own weight.
     
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    Considering the loads that were sometimes hauled during the War, I believe the Class 7 could take 16 equivalent up 1 in 100 – but pretty slowly, and it's not the treatment that FS deserves nowadays. So I too would expect the diesel to provide at least enough power to move itself up the bank.
     

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