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Tornado to haul certain timetabled trains on S&C: Feb 14-16

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by GWR4707, Jan 13, 2017.

  1. GWR4707

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    Here http://www.steamrailway.co.uk/steamnews/2017/1/13/exclusive-steam-to-run-sc-timetabled-trains

    Cannot find any details from Northern as yet?
     
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    think I'll wait until the line re-opens in full :)
     
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    Well, a return for under £18 before any discount must be the bargain of the year. Full details also shown at:
    https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/exclusive-steam-to-run-s-c-timetabled-trains.856579/

    (Be aware that you cannot post directly on that thread as all posts on the media threads go through a pre-mod process.)
     
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    Does the week coincide with schools half term? How about WC running a Carnforth- Hellifield connecting service?
     
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    If the fares are the normal fares for these services then it really is a bargain. I'm sure I'll take the opportunity to both ride and photograph.

    Compare this with KWVR's Oxenhope-Carlisle special with Flying Scotsman priced at £220.

    How will Tornado be turned? Surely they won't allow it to work in reverse at speed?
     
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    Perhaps we will find out how fast one can go tender-first!:)
     
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    It won't.

    Like most such operation's (e.g. trips to Wymouth, Tweedbank, etc) I expect it will have a diesel on the opposite end for the return journey.

    The saving grace (for those who get vexed over such things) is that with Tornados track record in performance terms, its extremely unlikely she will be pushed around unless absolutely necessary.
     
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    There would surely be enough capacity on the S&C to allow the diesel to chase one block behind on the northbound leg and couple up at Appleby.
     
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    I won't complain. Haulage by both the A1 and a main line diesel at a bargain price ... can't grumble at that.
     
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    The diesel locomotive is likely to be required for ETH (I think it's mentioned somewhere that coaches will be mk2s). I can pretty much guarantee however that no assistance will be provided when 60163 is leading.
     
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    My understanding is that the plan is to run chimney first northbound and tender first southbound with a Class 67 on the back each way for ETH. And as it's a DBC activity when it says ETH that's all it will be there for.
     
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    If it's MK2 does that mean we will get hideous mixed set of coaches ?
     
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    If that happens, does it really matter? I suspect that all those who travel will much prefer what is available compared with the normal service train they will travel to and from Skipton on.
     
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    Actually the normal service train in that slot from Leeds to Skipton is the 0947 which is usually a two coach 158. It will be interesting to see how Northern manage that part of it.
     
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    Only thing is steam locos are subject to a blanket ban on going faster than 40mph when running tender first. Given the plan is for the train to replace an ordinary service train (upon which normal national rail tickets are valid and which presumably also will count towards Northerns PPM figures, having Tornado leading both ways might not be the best idea. Still given its a initiative by Northern - if they want to take the hit, then great.
     
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    The announcement refers to "the 10.45am ex-Skipton and 15.07pm ex-Appleby". I looked at Table 42 to see how much time Tornado will have between those trains, only to find neither of them shown. The nearest are a 09.47 from Leeds, 10:24 at Skipton, terminating at Appleby at 11:37; and a 14:47 from Appleby running through to Leeds.
     
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    I seem to recall that the 40 mph limit doesn't apply if a diesel (or a boiler-first steam loco) is leading. Can someone confirm?
     
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    Northbound it makes reasonable sense-- decant people from the 0926 and 0947 from Leeds and 0941 from Bradford on to the train. That sort of works. Only question then is whether the 1045 will stop at Settle and Kirkby Stephen (which would be interesting).
    Southbound it's even more interesting because the 1447 is all stations. More likely the 1507 replaces the 1543.
    Or more likely still it will turn out that the steam train is actually an extra non stop Skipton-Appleby. There are bus connections from/to the service trains at Appleby for one thing.
    All will be revealed.
     
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    I've no idea what will happen but isn't it possible that the trains in question will be retimed to take longer than normal?

    The 0947 from Leeds arrives at Skipton at 10.24. Passengers transfer to Tornado that leaves at 1045 and runs to a retimed schedule. On the return, Tornado leaves at 15.07, runs to Skipton on a similar retimed schedule and passengers then transfer onto the normal 1655 to Leeds. If the planning has got this far I'm pretty certain that Northern and NR have worked out what will happen.
     

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