If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

West Somerset Railway General Discussion

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by gwr4090, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. Greenway

    Greenway Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2008
    Messages:
    3,675
    Likes Received:
    3,515
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    South Hams
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Well the word charge would certainly be in Arkwright's vocabulary but I doubt gift would be. :D
    PS: note the smiley....
     
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2019
  2. DragonHandler

    DragonHandler Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2016
    Messages:
    1,280
    Likes Received:
    1,578
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    West London
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
  3. Forestpines

    Forestpines Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2009
    Messages:
    1,681
    Likes Received:
    2,436
    Location:
    Bristol
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Speaking as a software developer: users should never apologise for not understanding the UX when it doesn't do what they expect. That's the UX designers' and the developers' fault.

    (I would be surprised if the WSRA website has been through proper usability testing, because after all it's a charity website, and I can see it was put together with free software, quickly and cheaply. I'm not saying that's a bad thing - there's no point paying more than you need to, and the hard work will have been in preparing all the content, not in putting the design together. What you do miss out on, though, are eyes who are seeing your content afresh and will make sure your site ends up intuitive to use - not to mention, I can see a couple of CSS glitches on it that I wouldn't let my team get away with, such as the drop-down menus moving slightly on mouseover/exit events)
     
    TimE, tracker, Triumph 2500S and 2 others like this.
  4. Triumph 2500S

    Triumph 2500S Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,066
    Likes Received:
    933
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Swindon
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    What I don't understand is WHY any third party should derive benefit from any 'gift' I may choose to give?

    Can't the WSRA handle it themselves with one of their paid staff?
     
  5. Robin Moira White

    Robin Moira White Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2014
    Messages:
    10,640
    Likes Received:
    16,445
    Gender:
    Female
    Occupation:
    Barrister
    Location:
    Stogumber
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Always good to have professional comment. I am sure, Jacquie Green, WSRA Manager, would be pleased to receive your comments and pass them on to those responsible for maintaining the website.

    ‘Just giving’ is widely used by many good causes because it allows instant donations at 2 in the morning and without any intervention from office staff. In these days of instant on-line shopping, such a facility has been found to significantly ‘up’ donations. That facility, of course, comes at a (modest) fee.

    However, delighted to hear that you would like to make a contribution. I believe you have my e-mail address? If not, please PM me and I will pass on the e-mail address of the appropriate WSRA person who would be delighted to receive your donation (electronic transfer, cheque, postal order, luncheon vouchers, gold sovereigns, whatever) and provide you with a gift aid form if you are eligible. (If you are a UK tax payer.) That will avoid any percentage going anywhere other than to the castings.

    The present on line facility is focussed on the Watchet casting but if you would prefer to donate to the Dunster or Stogumber castings, that would be fine.

    Anyone else is welcome to follow the same course.

    Regards

    Robin White
     
  6. 35B

    35B Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2011
    Messages:
    16,694
    Likes Received:
    13,664
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Grantham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I’m sure they could. But they’d also need to pay someone to make the changes on the website to allow card payments to be taken online, and make all the administrative changes to support that. That cost will run into the thousands, with no guaranteed return and the certainty of further costs as standards change.

    I administer Gift Aid for a church, and do all I can to avoid having to pay firms like JustGiving. But there are times when using them raises far more money for us than it costs us in fees for their services. We had one sponsored event where online donations were triple the sponsor forms, and we took far more than we expected - because we could get the word out to friends and families and they could just pay online.

    Many people do not want to say “I’ll donate”, then wait for a form, before sending in a cheque; or even wait for the Gift Aid declaration. If you put barriers in, you lose donations.

    One other point. One poster queried why use JustGiving when the point of the WSRA is to allow Gift Aid to be claimed. The point is that JustGiving do the work of claiming with HMRC on the charity’s behalf, but that the Gift Aid can be claimed because WSRA is a charity.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
    Paul Kibbey, echap, jnc and 5 others like this.
  7. gwalkeriow

    gwalkeriow Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    1,663
    Likes Received:
    1,668
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired.
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
  8. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Messages:
    21,526
    Likes Received:
    40,670
    Location:
    215
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Quite. It's a pity that BT MyDonate are winding up their operation, as they only charged a flat 15p fee, so a £10 donation with Gift Aid was worth £12.35 to the charity. The costs of the service were absorbed by BT as part of their Corporate Social Responsibility initiative, but they are redirecting that money to other purposes. There are nonetheless more cost-effective online platforms than JustGiving.

    Tom
     
    tracker, 35B and Forestpines like this.
  9. Robin Moira White

    Robin Moira White Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2014
    Messages:
    10,640
    Likes Received:
    16,445
    Gender:
    Female
    Occupation:
    Barrister
    Location:
    Stogumber
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Thank you.

    Always pleased to learn from others’ experience.

    Perhaps you could PM me the links?

    Robin
     
  10. 6960 Raveningham Hall

    6960 Raveningham Hall Member Friend

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2016
    Messages:
    548
    Likes Received:
    883
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired.
    Location:
    St. Austell and Blue Anchor.
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    It appears to me that in response to the GWR 4110 Ltd pledges of £100K plus, the WSRA have raised just £13K.

    Add to that the £100 pledged to the 9351 Restoration Appeal on Just Giving, and it tells me all I need to know about the ability of the WSRA to fund-raise for the WSR.

    Stef.
     
  11. Yorkshireman

    Yorkshireman Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2014
    Messages:
    4,486
    Likes Received:
    5,045
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Comfy chair occupant!
    Location:
    No moaners please!
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    On Steve Edge’s site.
     
  12. Triumph 2500S

    Triumph 2500S Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,066
    Likes Received:
    933
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Swindon
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Good to know there are alternatives but presently I have some horrendous bills I must defray on my own account first without making a preferential contribution to the WSR first - A basic OAP does not go very far unfortunately!
     
    nine elms fan, 35B, granmaree and 2 others like this.
  13. johnofwessex

    johnofwessex Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2015
    Messages:
    7,146
    Likes Received:
    5,428
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Thorn in my managers side
    Location:
    72
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    While I am not a great fan of Large Praries, IMHO the small ones are much better looking, given the connectuion that 4110 had with the WSR in pre preservation days it is rather sad, and indicative of the problems tha railway faces
     
    Paul Kibbey and Triumph 2500S like this.
  14. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Messages:
    21,526
    Likes Received:
    40,670
    Location:
    215
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    PM Sent.

    Tom
     
  15. Triumph 2500S

    Triumph 2500S Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,066
    Likes Received:
    933
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Swindon
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    oh dear oh dear how utterly inevitable!

    and sadly no surprise after the cockameme way in which the money was to be raised following the WSRA intervention.

    This has led me to take the decision NOT to renew my WSRA membership no 189 which was due on February 1st

    and I am not sure I can be bothered to attend the revised plc meeting either, but will have to take that decision when the revised date is known
     
  16. Triumph 2500S

    Triumph 2500S Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,066
    Likes Received:
    933
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Swindon
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    That figure brings into question the future role of the WSRA does it not?

    What will happen to the £13,000 now the engine is lost?
     
  17. The WSRA have made a comment about your last point on the WSRA website (also posted on wsr.org.uk)

    Steve
     
    Triumph 2500S likes this.
  18. Triumph 2500S

    Triumph 2500S Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,066
    Likes Received:
    933
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Swindon
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Thanks Steve missed the Jacqui Green Statement!
     
  19. 6960 Raveningham Hall

    6960 Raveningham Hall Member Friend

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2016
    Messages:
    548
    Likes Received:
    883
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired.
    Location:
    St. Austell and Blue Anchor.
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Me too. I have sent an e-mail notifying my intention not to renew.

    In future I will contribute directly to the Plc, although I am very unhappy with the way they have handled this sorry episode.

    Stef.
     
  20. Ferguson

    Ferguson New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2017
    Messages:
    45
    Likes Received:
    47
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Ex. volunteer
    Location:
    South Somerset
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer

    Me too.
     
    tracker and Triumph 2500S like this.

Share This Page