If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

West Somerset Railway Operations

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by gwr4090, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. 1472

    1472 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,517
    Likes Received:
    1,458
    Did you regard the comment I was answering to be a balanced one?
     
  2. nanstallon

    nanstallon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2005
    Messages:
    3,883
    Likes Received:
    1,317
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Westcountry
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Nobody is suggesting censorship, but we are presumably all here because we like railways, most of us with a preference for steam. While constructive criticism has a place, let's try to accentuate the positive because there is a lot of that on the WSR. The WSR has gone through crises before, but has fought back, and is well worth saving.
     
    Bluenosejohn and jnc like this.
  3. 35B

    35B Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2011
    Messages:
    9,517
    Likes Received:
    6,314
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Grantham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    If you are classifying me as a voyeur from far away, please go ahead. But I don’t wish to knock a railway I am very fond of. But when the reaction is to bristle, I may just be tempted to observe how it looks from outside.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    Greenway likes this.
  4. Ploughman

    Ploughman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    4,048
    Likes Received:
    1,399
    Occupation:
    Ex a lot of things.
    Location:
    Near where the 3 Ridings meet
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Partially, but still you are focused on keeping only WSR members allowed to comment.
    In this day and age comments will come from everywhere and you will have to accept that fact, whether you approve or not.
    It is a reality of the world we live in.

    Any comments I make are not for slagging off other railways, but are generally about things that interest me as an outsider or as an interested party.
     
    Greenway likes this.
  5. 1472

    1472 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,517
    Likes Received:
    1,458
    Absolutely - but you may or may not agree with me that unless comment is reasonably well thought out and therefore hopefully rather balanced then these threads become frankly worthless. I could list quite a number of folk associated with the two railways on which I volunteer who no longer look at Nat Pres because they now see it as worse than time wasting.
     
    michaelh and Hemerdon like this.
  6. Monkey Magic

    Monkey Magic Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2018
    Messages:
    932
    Likes Received:
    1,404
    Location:
    Here, there, everywhere
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I think the words, physician arise and heal thyself are highly appropriate here. You manage to miss the point spectacularly. What are YOU doing? Here's what YOU are doing. When someone challenges the WSR about the way in which the WSR to a potential volunteer is seen you attack the observer. Which is neither pleasant nor sensible.

    And guess what, I would have every reason to want to volunteer at the WSR, but when I see the attitudes of those involved in the WSR, I think - not worth my while. Far from actually encouraging those on the sidelines to get involved, those involved with the WSR do an excellent job of shooting themselves in the foot and putting people off.

    BTW All that rank pulling really is a bit pointless and not very impressive.

    But there you go, you make the choice as to how you engage with those on the sidelines and you take the consequences of your actions. Anyway, I've said what I wanted to say, and I hope that one day things change and the WSR will become a line where I'd like to volunteer. But at the moment it isn't.
     
    Last edited: May 4, 2019
  7. Matt78

    Matt78 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2007
    Messages:
    1,132
    Likes Received:
    1,158
    Occupation:
    Solicitor
    Location:
    South Wales
    I’m not a WSR member or volunteer, but this thread always seems to be compulsive viewing, partly because it always seems to be at re top of this sub-folder.

    The issues that are aired on this thread are relevant to many more heritage railways than you might think. Matters of finance, locos,passenger numbers and internal politics are present on many railways to a degree, it is how these issues are managed and controlled that determine how successful a railway can be. I agree the WSR issues have been publically aired (and not just on this forum), note even ORR have mentioned the WSR as a case in point to all heritage railways.

    The current situation of the WSR is a lesson to us all, from that point view this thread can be seen in an entirely posative light. All power to the WSR for recognising the need for change and taking action.
     
    Last edited: May 4, 2019
    Steve, Jamessquared, toplink and 11 others like this.
  8. Colin Allcars

    Colin Allcars Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2016
    Messages:
    299
    Likes Received:
    366
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Newport
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    It is about time the mods introduced a dislike button on this board. A lack of likes doesn't tell us enough.
     
  9. Colin Allcars

    Colin Allcars Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2016
    Messages:
    299
    Likes Received:
    366
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Newport
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I have just seen a maroon coach in the train just arriving at Blue Anchor and it was not a buffet. Is this a second maroon coach in traffic?
     
  10. 1472

    1472 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2008
    Messages:
    1,517
    Likes Received:
    1,458
    That is simply your loss.
     
    NOTFORME_99 likes this.
  11. jnc

    jnc Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    785
    Likes Received:
    845
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Western Atlantic
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I spent quite a while on a now-defunct site related to my locale of origin. It had such a feature (effectively, one could add or subtract from the 'like' count), and IMO it was not healthy, and IMO the single worst feature of the site. (Admittedly, the fact that dis-likes were anonymous probably made it worse; it led nasty disputes of the form 'Why did you dis-like me? Whoa, it wasn't me!') If you think this thread is full of negativity now...

    If you don't like a post, just make one of your own saying so. That would also address one of my complaints about the 'negative' button; it gave one no information at all about why someone had a problem with one's post. It's hard to change one's posting style to be less problematic when one has no idea what aspect people don't like.

    Noel
     
  12. DragonHandler

    DragonHandler Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2016
    Messages:
    1,016
    Likes Received:
    1,230
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    West London
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    On the more positive side:

    coach.jpg
     
    jnc, Paul42, Eric Tyler and 6 others like this.
  13. Barrie the Beer

    Barrie the Beer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2008
    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    1,732
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Brewery taproom supervisor
    Location:
    Norton Fitzwarren
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    The maroon buffet is a converted TSO so it is probably that vehicle (4247?)
     
  14. Colin Allcars

    Colin Allcars Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2016
    Messages:
    299
    Likes Received:
    366
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Newport
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    My mistake, a glint hid "buffet".

    From WSR.org, courtesy Webcams, a moment ago, "buffet" visible live.
     

    Attached Files:

  15. mikechant

    mikechant New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2012
    Messages:
    160
    Likes Received:
    170
    I hesitate to step into this quagmire, but speaking as someone who really has no dog in this fight and lives a long way away, but just spends a lot of time reading about and travelling on heritage railways and wants them *all* to succeed, I feel like I need to urgently make a couple of trips on the WSR in 2019 because I'm not confident it will still be running in 2020 the way things are going, not even specifically due to the recent issues, but mainly because the overall financial situation combined with the other issues may not be sustainable . I really hope I'm wrong, but this thread gives me a very bad feeling.

    I hope I won't get flamed for this; I'm just trying to express an (outsider) opinion which *might* be representative of *some* non-local HR aficionados. And as I say I'm going to contribute to the railway when I can in the hope that it will help, but with the fear that it might be my last chance. This thread may well be very unrepresentative of the true situation, so apologies in advance if I'm not getting it.

    I really don't want to be negative; I'm posting more in hope (that someone who sees this post might be influenced) than despair.
     
    MellishR, michaelh, oddsocks and 7 others like this.
  16. 6026 King John

    6026 King John Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2006
    Messages:
    1,137
    Likes Received:
    306
    Location:
    Hampton Court, Surrey
    Silly question maybe but isn't the railway insured against this kind of thing happening?
     
  17. Yorkshireman

    Yorkshireman Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2014
    Messages:
    4,486
    Likes Received:
    5,039
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Comfy chair occupant!
    Location:
    No moaners please!
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    My y but a big cxcess.
     
  18. The_Rail_WAy

    The_Rail_WAy New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2019
    Messages:
    12
    Likes Received:
    30
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cumbria
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Family moved to SW England a couple of years ago, I went to visit them and paid a visit to the WSR, it was that good I went again with parents and family. I must add they are non-enthusiasts and enjoyed it so much they plan to visit again this year as do I.

    As mentioned I have not been active on this forum long but the WSR is always at the top and has so many pages its unbelievable, it is clear there are some real in-house politics amongst enthusiasts/members regarding the line - behind all that I found it truly splendid.

    A plan to visit the North Yorkshire Moors, which if you include running to Whitby is longer than the WSR, and am interested to see how it compares....

    Other lines I have visited include:

    East Lancs Railway
    Lakside and Haverthwaite Railway
    Mid Hants 'Watercress' line

    Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway
     
    tracker and NOTFORME_99 like this.
  19. Steve

    Steve Part of the furniture Friend

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2006
    Messages:
    9,146
    Likes Received:
    4,260
    Occupation:
    Gentleman of leisure, nowadays
    Location:
    Near Leeds
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I'm afraid that this post just serves to highlight the problem but not in the way you intend. It seems obvious to me that you have your head buried in the sand with regard to the scale of the problems facing the WSR and you are/were not alone in this respect, which is why there has had to be the sea-change that is happening.
     
  20. DragonHandler

    DragonHandler Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2016
    Messages:
    1,016
    Likes Received:
    1,230
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    West London
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I've no knowledge of what the railway's insurance policies cover, or under what circumstances the insurer would pay out.
    But are you suggesting that the railway should have just claimed on the insurance and not asked its supporters for help?
    The speed with which the appeal total was achieved and exceeded suggests that the railway's supporters were very willing to contribute, potential insurance claim or no insurance claim.
     

Share This Page