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What loco was used in BBC1 the secret agent

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  1. John Casingena

    John Casingena New Member

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    Was watching the bbc 1 drama the secreat agent yes it's set in the victorian times and what do you see a BR black loco with BR logo on tender the coaches used was edwardian what was the loco used did not catch the number and I take it there are no working victorian / edwardian locos that could of been used
     
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    D49 Morayshire filmed on the Bo’ness and Kinneil Railway
     
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    The usual "any old train will do" which is par for the course on TV.
     
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    Should we blame the TV producers who make the booking and are not supposed to be experts on railways and history, or the preserved line who accept the booking and might be expected to know if they have appropriate stock?
     
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    The producers I suppose. Surely they could consult with someone in the know?
     
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    TV producers, some years ago there was an TV series starring Martin Clunes in a serious role as an RAF BB pilot, it was billed as meticulously researched to get everything as accurate to 1940 as possible. First scene was at Arley Station saying goodbye to tearful parents as 46443 rolled in with a set of maroon Mk1s. A few weeks after screening I saw Alun Reece at Bridgnorth and asked why something realistic was not provided and he told me they always ask if there is anything in particular they wanted and was told just an old steam train. As he said if they had asked they could have had 4566, then in GW livery and some GW coaches.
    I also spotted one other howler in the series, an RAF officer sitting in a pub with the N navigator brevit on his unifor, which for 1940 should have been O for observer. Sloppy production is all very well but don't advertise it as being painstakingly researched.
     
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    They could at least have put a black vinyl over the BR lion and wheel on Morayshire's tender. Good to see the Caledonian coaches running though, almost the right era but 400 miles out of place!

    Dave
     
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    The whole series was shot in Scotland, because it was the only place they could come up with the necessary cobbled streets and levels of poverty.
     
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    There is frankly no need for such a stupid comment. Poverty exists around the UK and most of Scotland is far from poor
     
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    There were also a few shots of MV Fingal or Windsor Castle standing in for the St Malo ferry which is also somewhat anachronistic. Actually the BBC drama was only loosely based on Conrad's book. Many of the details were changed and the plot was modified. Most significantly, I think, was the dilution of the layers of irony with which the book is loaded.

    MV Fingal: http://clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=12915

    PS. To see what the ferry should have looked like, here's a link to the fleet list of the LSWR: http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/SR_LSWR1.html#Hilda

    SS Hilda was the one that sunk with the loss of over a 100 lives.
     
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    I was the fireman for the day when that was being filmed - sad to see I got edited out. Run over by a camera and wore a daft tache for nothing lol.
     
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    But are unlikely to go without the income on a point of principle?
     
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    But isn't it somewhat hypocritical to criticise the producers, who can't really be expected to know better, but not criticise the railway, who damn well should?
    To be fair, not as simple as that, because one doesn't know what the line was told when the booking was made. If you got a booking to supply a typical steam train, and have a decent 1950s ambience, and then all the actors turn up in 1850s costume then there aren't many options...
     
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    I am not particularly criticising anyone, I can understand both the point of view of the railways, who are not going to turn down some good income. Perhaps the programme/movie makers could do with a little more 'education'; this could be somewhere that the HRA could usefully get involved?
     
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    Was watching the Imitation Game last night, wasn't so much the WCRC Mk1's in Kings Cross that irked as much as the overhead wires being as clear as day, surely a bit of post production/photoshop magic would have seen to that ?.
     
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    I pointed that out rather too loudly in the cinema when It was on first release. I still have the bruise in my ribs
     
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    Has anyone watched part three yet?

    A very un Scottish interloper in there!!! And bizarre as they were clearly filming on site...
     
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    There is a letter in last week's Radio Times about the wrong steam locomotive being used for The Secret Agent. The response from the Production Company states that they were very aware that the Loco used postdated the era depicted in the programme. Due to the constraints of the filming location and dates available the locomotive used was the only one available to the production. The production company decided it was preferable to use the locomotive rather than drop the sequence completely.

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    Did they explain the foreign interloper?
     

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