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SVR Autumn Steam Gala

Discussion in 'Galas and Events' started by 2857Harry, May 21, 2025.

  1. Fred Kerr

    Fred Kerr Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    No as 45593 was operated in maroon livery during the 1980s as 5593 and certainly in 1986 when it spent some time at Southport Steamport working a series of Southport - Manchester steam-hauled services courtesy of Liverpool Area Manager the late Brian Wilson
     
  2. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    5593 has operated in LMS livery in that period . I'm struggling a little with the point , sorry
     
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    This argument assumes that preservation has no history of its own, and is solely there to record what went before. At that point, that picture by @Fred Kerr raises significantly more questions than those posed by the anachronistic use of an LNER headboard on a Caledonian locomotive - ones that go beyond what might reasonably be characterised as "what might have been".
     
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    We aren't going to agree on this and we've been through it time and time again. I believe that 'preservation' is about railways and its equipment in the period when they were in common use, i.e. prior to preservation, and is a recording of history from that period. You aren't going to convince me otherwise.

    I accept that compromises are necessary on a working preserved railway, not needed in a static museum setting. But I cannot go along with changes beyond those necessary for successful operation. I have made my position clear; I have nothing more to add. You won't persuade me and I doubt that I could ever convince you.
     
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  5. Fred Kerr

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    Sorry about being possibly obtuse. The point was the simple question of whether preservation adopts the principle accepted by LMS2968 (a valid point which I have no problem with) or creates something which might / could have been but circumstances at the time prevented it.
     
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    At least, we agree to disagree like gentlemen should!
     
  7. 35B

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    And I respect that - as you say, gentlemen may disagree. I merely observe that the picture in question, even ignoring the headboard, raises a number of issues that, at the very least, test the boundaries of "necessary for successful operation" to their very limit.
     
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    Gladiator 5076 Resident of Nat Pres

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    Funnily enough only scanned this yesterday.
    IMG_20250708_0020.jpg
     
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    I see your Jubilee, and raise you an 8F!

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    48417 pilots 34039 up Old Hill Bank with a Footex Southampton - Birmingham 27-04-63 Michael Mensing
     
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    What has any of this blathering got to do with the SVR Autumn gala?
     
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    Yawn.
     
  12. Fred Kerr

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    if you followed from the beginning you would realise it's a question of what is preservation which Gala events try to illustrate; is it a case of recreation as LMS 2968 prefers or is it a case of demonstrating cases of "what ifs" which some visitors prefer. Gala organisers try to satisfy both parties but when parties prove reluctant to compromise then such blathering that you query becomes the result. My attitude ? Take what's on offer and be grateful there are volunteers willing to make the necessary provision of rolling stock and infrastructure.
     

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