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Discussion in 'Galas and Events' started by 2857Harry, May 21, 2025.

  1. Fred Kerr

    Fred Kerr Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    No as 45593 was operated in maroon livery during the 1980s as 5593 and certainly in 1986 when it spent some time at Southport Steamport working a series of Southport - Manchester steam-hauled services courtesy of Liverpool Area Manager the late Brian Wilson
     
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    5593 has operated in LMS livery in that period . I'm struggling a little with the point , sorry
     
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    This argument assumes that preservation has no history of its own, and is solely there to record what went before. At that point, that picture by @Fred Kerr raises significantly more questions than those posed by the anachronistic use of an LNER headboard on a Caledonian locomotive - ones that go beyond what might reasonably be characterised as "what might have been".
     
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    We aren't going to agree on this and we've been through it time and time again. I believe that 'preservation' is about railways and its equipment in the period when they were in common use, i.e. prior to preservation, and is a recording of history from that period. You aren't going to convince me otherwise.

    I accept that compromises are necessary on a working preserved railway, not needed in a static museum setting. But I cannot go along with changes beyond those necessary for successful operation. I have made my position clear; I have nothing more to add. You won't persuade me and I doubt that I could ever convince you.
     
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    Sorry about being possibly obtuse. The point was the simple question of whether preservation adopts the principle accepted by LMS2968 (a valid point which I have no problem with) or creates something which might / could have been but circumstances at the time prevented it.
     
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    At least, we agree to disagree like gentlemen should!
     
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    And I respect that - as you say, gentlemen may disagree. I merely observe that the picture in question, even ignoring the headboard, raises a number of issues that, at the very least, test the boundaries of "necessary for successful operation" to their very limit.
     
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    Funnily enough only scanned this yesterday.
    IMG_20250708_0020.jpg
     
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    I see your Jubilee, and raise you an 8F!

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    48417 pilots 34039 up Old Hill Bank with a Footex Southampton - Birmingham 27-04-63 Michael Mensing
     
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