Blackmore Vale Express 16th of July.

I see Clan Line is hauling a rare non VSOE train to Yeovil on the 16th of July.
http://www.ukrailtours.com/tourshow...ourfile=110716_THE_BLACKMORE_VALE_EXPRESS.txt

 

Tickets came through today. The outward route via Streatham has been removed due to loading gauge problems in the Tooting area, instead the train will now travel via Staines.
Times
London Waterloo 09.00 - 21.24
Woking 10.38 - 20.45
Salisbury 12.07 - 17.50
Yeovil Jn 13.11 - 16.44

 

Hopefully a good run down from Woking and a good one back from Eastleigh. We live in hope.

 

Me too!

But...........

Probably need something better than 89 minutes from Woking to Salisbury to get a good run in that direction, although that may include a stop at Winchfield.

Doubt they are the final times though as we would have seen them on uksteam.info.

Still waiting for those final times before deciding. Won't do anything before I see them as I don't want an early start after a very busy Friday. And last I heard it seemed, (only seemed), that a box could be on the back on the return from Salisbury.

Oh well. Tangy was superb last Saturday. Have to live on that for a while I guess.

And of course if I keep dithering and don't go, we all know what will happen. No box and storming runs from Winchfield to Salisbury and back from Eastleigh to Woking........................

 

Take your macs..rain forecast.

 

Better than a steam ban. Bryan a couple of posts ago was on about a box poss from Salisbury. If a 66 brings stock in to Waterloo (Probably), would same loco follow us and if it did why? Surely it's there for shunting movements at London. A path would have to be found or another DBS Loco? Perhaps it's all a nasty rumour.

 

I read on the special instructions (times on a gen group but it would be bad karma to repost and anyway they'll be on UKsteam soon) that no diesel is attached, except from Eastleigh to Victoria.

 

hi bryan,

water at overton 11-22/37, on return salisbury 17-50/18-08 and eastleigh 19-18/44 + add a class 67 to the back.

mark

 

Full "TAN" times from SE gen (yahoo group)
Saturday 16 July 2011
The Blackmore Vale Express - UK railtours
London Waterloo to Yeovil Junction
Operated by DB Schenker Ltd
All related timings riv21103
5Z95 EASTLEIGH T&RSMD – LONDON WATERLOO

Eastleigh T&RSMD 05:00
Eastleigh 05:10 Plat 2 DSL
Allbrook 05:11 FL
Shawford 05:14 Plat 1
Winchester 05:17 05:19 Plat 1 C
Worting Jn 05:34 SL
Basingstoke 05:36 Plat 4 SL
Fleet 06:00 Plat 1 SL (15)
Farnborough (Main) 06:09 Plat 1 SL (6)
Pirbright Jn 06:15 SL (2)
Woking Jn 06:20 SL
Woking 06:21 Plat 1 SL
Byfleet & New Haw 06:26
Addlestone Jn 06:28
Virginia Water 06:41 Plat 3 (6)
Staines 06:54 Plat 1 (4)
Feltham 07:01 Plat 1 (2)
Feltham Jn 07:03
Hounslow 07:05 Plat 1
Brentford 07:08 Plat 1
Kew East Jn 07:11
South Acton Jn 07:14
Acton Wells Jn 07:22 (3)
Willesden S.W.S. 07:25 08:06 REV AE
Mitre Bridge Jn 08:10
Kensington (Olympia) 08:15 08:17 Plat 3 OP
Latchmere Jn 08:25 URV
West London Jn 08:34 RVL
Queenstown Rd.(Battersea) 08:36 RVL
Nine Elms Jn 08:37 RVL
London Waterloo 08:43 09:00 Plat 19

Operated by DB Schenker
Stock: 12 AB vehicles
Diesel hauled by Class 67 locomotive
Timed to a maximum speed of 100 mph
At Willesden SWS attach steam loco (off 5Z94) + POB to form top and tailed consist
Willesden SWS – London Waterloo: Class 67 + 12 vehicles plus POB plus steam loco 35028
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5Z94 STEWARTS LANE T&RSMD – WILLESDEN SWS

Stewarts Lane T&RSMD 07:10
Stewarts Lane Jn 07:15 07:22 RVL
Longhedge Jn 07:24
Latchmere Jn 07:27
Kensington Olympia 07:32 DM
North Pole Jn 07:36
Mitre Bridge Jn 07:37 REV
Willesden S.W.S. 07:40

Operated by DB Schenker
Stock: 1 VB vehicle (POB only; 35 tonnes)
Steam hauled by MN Class steam locomotive 35028 (98828) chimney first
On Saturday 16 July 2011 1Z96 & 1Z97 are specially authorized to run to, and depart from the former Down Platform at Yeovil Junction.
The route must set and secured with a clip and scotch on the facing end of 31 points. When the route is set the clearance of position light signal YJ22 and YJ23 (on the Down Main line) or YJ24 and YJ25 (on RVL line) is the authority for the driver to run to the former Down Platform.
For the up train from the former Down Platform the route must be set and secured with clips and scotches on the facing ends of 31 and 29 points. The clearance of semaphore shunt signal YJ33 is the authority for the driver to depart.
Handsignallers will not be provided.
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1Z96 LONDON WATERLOO – YEOVIL JUNCTION
London Waterloo 09:00 Plat 19 RVL
Nine Elms Jn 09:06½ WL
Queenstown Rd.(Battersea) 09:07½ Plat 3 WFL
Clapham Junction 09:10 Plat 5 FL
Barnes 09:17 Plat 3 (2)
Brentford 09:30 Plat 2 (7)
Hounslow 09:41 Plat 2 (6)
Feltham Jn 09:51 (8)
Feltham 09:53 Plat 2
Staines 10:00 Plat 2
Virginia Water 10:12 Plat 4 (2)
Addlestone Jn 10:22 (2)
Byfleet & New Haw 10:26 S SL (1)
Woking 10:34 10:38 Plat 5 SL (1) U
Woking Jn 10:40 SL
Pirbright Jn 10:49 SL (3)
Farnborough (Main) 10:57 Plat 2 FL (4)
Basingstoke 11:11 Plat 2 FL
Worting Jn 11:15
Overton 11:22 11:37 Plat 2 W
Andover 11:48 Plat 2
Tunnel Jn. 12:02
Salisbury 12:05 12:07 Plat 3 D
Wilton Jn 12:09
Wilton 12:12 (1)
Tisbury Loop 12:23 (1)
Gillingham (Dorset) 12:32 Plat 1 (1)
Templecombe 12:40 Plat 1
Sherborne 12:52 12:57 Plat 2 ML (6) D
Yeovil Junction 13:11 Plat 3 [2] (4)

Operated by DB Schenker
Stock: 12 AB vehicles (EH02 set) plus POB (455 tonnes total)
Steam hauled by MN Class locomotive 35028 (98828) Clan Line
Timed to a maximum speed of 75 mph except where the restrictions on the attached Authority apply
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0Z96 LONDON WATERLOO – EASTLEIGH EAST YARD

London Waterloo 09:00 09:03 Plat 19 RVL
Nine Elms Jn 09:11 RVL (4)
Queenstown Rd.(Battersea) 09:13 RVL (1)
West London Jn 09:15 URV
Latchmere Jn 09:28 (10)
Kensington (Olympia) 09:33 (1)
North Pole Jn 09:38 (2)
Mitre Bridge Jn 09:39 REV
Willesden S.W.S. 09:43
Acton Wells Jn 09:45
South Acton Jn 09:51 (3)
Kew East Jn 10:00 (7)
Brentford 10:03 Plat 2
Hounslow 10:08 Plat 2 (2)
Feltham Jn 10:10
Feltham 10:12 Plat 2
Staines 10:19 Plat 2 (2)
Virginia Water 10:27 Plat 4 (1)
Addlestone Jn 10:40 (6)
Byfleet & New Haw 10:42 10:56 SL A
Woking 11:04 Plat 5 SL (2)
Woking Jn 11:05 SL
Pirbright Jn 11:13 SL (3)
Farnborough (Main) 11:19 Plat 2 SL (2)
Fleet 11:23 Plat 2 SL
Basingstoke 11:37 Plat 1 SL (2)
Worting Jn 11:40
Winchester 11:56 Plat 2
Shawford Jn 11:59 SL
Allbrook 12:05 RCL
Eastleigh East Yard 12:10 12:11

Class 67 diesel locomotive
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1Z97 YEOVIL JUNCTION – LONDON WATERLOO

Yeovil Junction 16:44 Plat 3
Sherborne 16:54 16:59 Plat 1 (4) U
Templecombe 17:10 Plat 1 (3)
Gillingham (Dorset) 17:18 Plat 1 (1)
Tisbury Loop 17:32 (6)
Wilton 17:45 (5)
Wilton Jn 17:47
Salisbury 17:50 18:08 Plat 4 U, W
Tunnel Jn. 18:13 (2)
Dean 18:25 Plat 1
Romsey 18:34 Plat 1
Redbridge 18:51 Plat 1 SL (9)
Millbrook (Hants) 18:53 Plat 1 SL
Southampton Central 19:03 Plat 1 (8)
Northam Jn 19:06 SL
St Denys 19:08 Plat 1
Eastleigh 19:18 19:44 Plat 1 SL (4) W, AE
Shawford 19:54 Plat 1 (4)
Winchester 19:59½ Plat 1 (1)
Worting Jn 20:17 FL
Basingstoke 20:20½ Plat 3 FL
Farnborough (Main) 20:34 FL
Woking Jn 20:43 SL (2)
Woking 20:45 20:47 Plat 2 FL (1) D
Hampton Court Jn. 21:00 FL
Surbiton 21:01 Plat 1 FL
New Malden 21:03 Plat 2 FL
Wimbledon 21:05½ Plat 6 FL
Clapham Junction 21:10 Plat 8 MFL
Queenstown Rd.(Battersea) 21:13½ Plat 2 RVL
Nine Elms Jn 21:14½ RVL
London Waterloo 21:24 Plat 19 (5)

Operated by DB Schenker
Stock: 12 AB vehicles (EH02 set) plus POB (455 tonnes total)
Steam hauled by MN Class locomotive 35028 (98828) Clan Line
Timed to a maximum speed of 75 mph except where the restrictions on the attached Authority apply
At Eastleigh Class 67 locomotive to attach to rear to form top and tailed consist
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0Z95 EASTLEIGH EAST YARD – EASTLEIGH

Eastleigh East Yard 18:38
Eastleigh 18:41 Plat 2
St Denys 18:49 Plat 2
Southampton Up Yard 18:54 19:20 RM
St Denys 19:22 Plat 1
Eastleigh 19:27 Plat 1 AE

Operated by DB Schenker
Class 67 diesel locomotive
On arrival at Eastleigh attach to 1Z97 charter
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5Z97 LONDON WATERLOO – EASTLEIGH T&RSMD

London Waterloo 22:00 Plat 19 RVL
Nine Elms Jn 22:05 RVL
Queenstown Rd.(Battersea) 22:07 RVL
West London Jn 22:08 URV
Latchmere Jn 22:10
Kensington (Olympia) 22:15 22:18 Plat 2 C
North Pole Jn 22:21
Mitre Bridge Jn 22:22 REV
Willesden S.W.S. 22:26 22:38 AE
Acton Wells Jn 22:40
South Acton Jn 22:43
Kew East Jn 22:45
Brentford 22:48 Plat 2
Hounslow 22:51 Plat 2
Feltham Jn 22:53
Feltham 22:55 Plat 2
Staines 23:01 Plat 2
Virginia Water 23:08 Plat 4
Addlestone Jn 23:17 (2)
Byfleet & New Haw 23:25 SL (6)
Woking 23:34 Plat 5 SL (5)
Woking Jn 23:35 SL
Pirbright Jn 23:43 SL (3)
Farnborough (Main) 23:47 Plat 2 SL
Fleet 23:51 Plat 2 SL
Basingstoke 00:01 Plat 1 SL
Worting Jn 00:04
Winchester 00:18 00:20 Plat 2 C
Shawford Jn 00:25 SL
Eastleigh 00:31 Plat 2
Eastleigh South Jn 00:33
Eastleigh T&RSMD 00:40

Operated by DB Schenker
Waterloo to Willesden SWS:
Stock: 12 AB vehicles plus POB (455 tonnes total) diesel hauled by Class 67 locomotive, steam loco 35028 at rear
At Willesden split train: steam loco + POB fwd to Stewarts Lane
Willesden SWS – Eastleigh:
Stock 12 AB vehicles, hauled by Class 67 locomotive. Timed to a maximum speed of 100 mph
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5Z98 WILLESDEN SWS – STEWARTS LANE T&RSMD

Willesden SWS 22:40
Mitre Bridge Jn 22:44
North Pole Jn 22:45
Kensington Olympia 22:48
Latchmere Jn 22:53
Longhedge Jn 22:55
Stewarts Lane Jn 22:56 22:59
Stewarts Lane T&RSMD 23:05

Operated by DB Schenker
Stock: 1 AB vehicle (POB only; 35 tonnes)
Steam hauled by MN Class locomotive 35028 (98828)
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0Z97 STEWARTS LANE T&RSMD – STEWARTS LANE T&RSMD

Stewarts Lane T&RSMD 23:20
Stewarts Lane Jn 23:25 23:27 RM
Factory Jn 23:33 23:35 (4) RM
Longhedge Jn 23:37 23:39 RVL RM
Stewarts Lane Jn 23:43 23:45 (2) RM
Stewarts Lane T&RSMD 23:50

Operated by DB Schenker
Steam locomotive 35028, turn move
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MOVEMENT OF STEAM LOCOMOTIVES - ROUTE AVAILABILITY

DATE: Saturday 16 July 2011
LOCO: 35028 (98828) + POB + 12 vehicles
TRAINS WORKED:
5Z94 Stewarts Lane – Willesden SWS
5Z95 Willesden SWS – London Waterloo
1Z96 London Waterloo – Yeovil Junction
1Z97 Yeovil Junction – London Waterloo
5Z97 London Waterloo – Willesden SWS
5Z98 Willesden SWS – Stewarts Lane
0Z97 Stewarts Lane – Stewarts Lane

The following conditions of travel apply:

Maximum 75 mph
(45 mph whilst running tender first); 50 mph loco + POB only

Route Location Miles/ch Lines Max Speed
BML1 Bridge 1/A11 Carlisle Lane 0m 43ch UM Fast 45 mph
RDG1 Bridge 1/A30 Upper Kennington Lane 1m 26ch Reversible 30 mph
RDG1 Bridge 1/A32 South Lambeth Bridge 1m 32ch Reversible 30 mph
Putney station platform 4 5m 72ch Dn W Slow 15 mph
Bridge 18 Charlwood Road 6m 16ch Dn W Slow 15 mph
HOU Worton Road 12m 57ch Down H’sl 30 mph
RDG1 Richmond station 9m 57ch Any 30 mph
AJB River Wey Viaduct Throughout Either 15 mph
BML1 Bridge 18 Battersea Rise 4m 23ch Up Slow 5 mph
Bridge 25 Arlecs 9m 49ch Up Slow 30 mph
Bridge 97 Basingstoke Canal Aqueduct 31m 55ch Down Fast 30 mph
BAE2 Bridge 329 Wood Road 113m 02ch Down 30 mph
Bridge 339 Oborne Road 116m 36ch Down Linespeed
Bridge 339 Oborne Road 116m 36ch Up 5 mph


The above services must also run in accordance with RT/D/S/009
The locomotive must also not use crossovers between platforms at ANY location

 

For a first post thats a very informative set of information.
Welcome to the forum.

 

Looks like you timers have got the non-stop schedule you wanted. I wouldn't worry about the DL added to the rear at Eastleigh on the return. '28 is quite capable of lifting 13 + a dozing diesel to Roundwood in short order, as demonstrated in July 2007 (and on other occasions). For those of us toting cameras, it's not such a great schedule. We rely on a nice long stop at Salisbury to scoot from Battledown to Tisbury ;-) Mind you, the weather forecast is such that it might not be worth taking a camera out of the house!

 

A very rare SR even time start to stop schedule, Overton to Salisbury. 28 miles in 28 minutes.

Nothing else stands out. Except the box on the back from Eastleigh because of Waterloo Platform 19.

Have the possible chance of a ticket, but will sleep on that. Eldest daughter getting married tomorow and obviously giving that my full attention.

 

The special schedule for 9 July required a great deal of negotiation over a period of 9 months or so, including the agreement of South West Trains to adjust some of their service train schedules. It is quite unrealistic to expect this to happen for every steam trip. Just be thankful that steam is permitted to run at all, especially with the much higher traffic densities these days on many lines.

David

 

Thank you David for speaking up for SWT...
July 9th.was rare.This is an extremely busy line 7 days a week.Just stand on Clapham Jnc station and watch.

 

It is indeed true that SWT were extremely helpful and accommodating for SD's 9 July train, as a result of much behind-the-scenes negotiation, principally due to Graeme Bunker's approach to SWT's own planners. Whilst most of the amendments were minor (re-platforming and the odd minute here and there), they all had to be documented and formally re-bid, so as not to incur performance penalties, which, if not managed properly, can sky-rocket on the Southern.

Whilst it gave excellent paths and that undeniable warm feeling to the die-hard Southern officiandos (often resident on this forum), it simply cannot be considered or expected to be the norm; charter operators, such as ourselves or DBS, have rights to bid - but only in spaces left after the working timetable is locked down, together with all the planned engineering. Of course, an objective views says it's a risky way of selling a business but, on balance, it generally works, offering a train for A to B and back again, as a good day out, if not always in the paths of old, as some might wish.

Like VT's 'Bristolian', something very special can be pulled out of the hat but only with disproportionate input from those who probably gain least from it, other than the satisfaction of seeing something work well. Certainly from the viewpoint of this forum, be grateful that so much steam continues to be accommodated and be especially grateful, when, very occasionally, something really special comes together.

JS
WCR

 

Have to say I'm with Big Al on this one.

It is the only chance us MN freaks have of getting a decent run with Clan Line, or any MN on the main line at present. And the schedule is a right mess.

To put it into perspective for those who think us timers are so very picky. Virtually all of that schedule is the equivalent to us/me, as would be lineside photters going out and seeing the loco with a large face on the front and advertising over the whole of the sides of the tender. i.e it's steam on the main line in the 21st century, so what is there to moan about?

Yes of course, we can't have the wonderful schedule that SWT and all the others involved gave us for Tangy last weekend. This schedule only emphahsises the enormous effort that was put in. Including by Graeme Bunker who seeemed rather modest about his own role on that at Waterloo last Saturday evening, (but amongst other things he'd accepted a ten car train which must have cost him revenue). Of course, realistically we have to view that as a fairly rare event. But a special event like tomorrow surely deserved a bit better at least in one direction?

I doubt things will improve until we get one or more extra MNs on the main line. Then we will have the chance of the occasional run getting a good timing purely through the way things happen with steam timings. Rather than waiting for the MNLPS, (of which I was a founder member in 1967), and after a very long gap have been a member again for a few years, to allow us some crumbs that drop from the table once a year.

Back to my hobby horse. At some stage we are going to need fewer steam bases and fewer steam routes for longer term main line steam survival. Concentrate expertise and facilities. IMHO of course and I know most will disagree with me, and for all sorts of reasons that are, today, perfectly valid. But such a move could see possiblity of a Q timing, (or something like that), being built into the normal timetables. London, (preferably Waterloo), to Weymouth being such a route. Not just because that is my old stamping ground but more because it does seem to support a significant number of steam tours at present.

End of sermon!

Go on. Fire away. You'll miss for the next few hours, (and normally you'd have a damn good target to aim at!), as I'm off to give my eldest daughter away at her wedding! LOL.

WOW! Was typing this while several other posts were being made.