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60103 Flying Scotsman - York to Edinburgh 14/05/16 to York 17/05/16

Тема в разделе 'What's Going On', создана пользователем stephenlammas89, 11 май 2016.

  1. stephenlammas89

    stephenlammas89 New Member

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    Can't find a thread for this particular tour taking place this Saturday.

    Flying Scotsman returning to Edinburgh for the 1st time in years, would be good to know the very last time the famous steam engine appeared at Waverley station.

    Has anyone got timings for the outward journey.

    I have found out that the Scotsman is due thru Newcastle at 5pm.

    I am hoping to go to a couple of locations. And finishing at the Royal border bridge at Berwick Upon Tweed.
     
  2. MikeParkin65

    MikeParkin65 Member Friend

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    Timed for 60mph max - isn't 103 passed for 75?
     
  3. staffordian

    staffordian Well-Known Member

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    I'm never sure how to interpret the speeds shown on RTT. For example I've seen ECS movements timed for something like 214mph, and I tend to take those with a pinch of salt.

    I believe weights and perhaps speeds are artificially adjusted to generate a workable schedule given steam loco's inferior acceleration and braking characteristics because the system isn't set up to allow steam to be entered as motive power.

    So I wouldn't take it that because RTT says 60 it's in any way a limit.
     
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  4. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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  5. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Moderator Information:

    We have been in conversation with Steam Dreams over the upcoming Flying Scotsman trips and it has been decided that we will not publicise timings for these trips until further notice. Any links posted by others will be removed and members are asked not to attempt to get around this request. Whilst we all know that the problem is almost certainly not connected with members of NP, this is a forum that is viewable by the wider public and the media, so anything we can do to help a potentially tricky problem must be in the interest of steam on the main line. (And, with respect, that's not for debate!)

    A quote from Steam Dreams is below:
    "We have been advised by Network Rail and the British Transport Police not to publish recommended viewing points or the timetable of when the trains being hauled by Flying Scotsman will be passing through specific locations – this includes positioning moves. This is due to the trespassing incidents on 25 February."
     
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  6. Fred Kerr

    Fred Kerr Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    Yet Network Rail publishes this information on its website which is why RTT, which takes its data from NR feeds, is able to display the FULL details of passing times.

    Hypocrisy or a case of the Left Hand not knowing what the Right Hand is doing ?
     
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  7. Spamcan81

    Spamcan81 Nat Pres stalwart

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    I think that's the sound of a stable door being slammed shut as the sounds of an escaping horse fade rapidly into the distance. :)
     
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  8. Johnb

    Johnb Nat Pres stalwart

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    I'm very surprised and disappointed that the Mods have decided to act as unofficial censors for NR who seem to have abandoned there ridiculous blackout, the weekend run to Edinburgh is already on RTT. The times for this week's York - Newcastle trip were all over Facebook and other social media, so what's the point.
    So if I can't post direct links where do the censors draw the line, is a post on here saying FS timings are now on RTT OK? Or what about something along the lines of those wartime coded radio messages ' RTT have what you want on the blinkered one'
     
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  9. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Just don't post timings and don't post links. One assumes that anyone interested will already know what to do, if that continues to be an option.
     
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  10. RalphW

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    Where does the unofficial come from, we have been requested by the Tour Company, and have agreed to that request. If NR can't keep their info to themselves then it's their problem. What would you do just ignore them?
    We all know where to get timings from so why worry if we do not publish or link them.
     
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  11. Bulleid Pacific

    Bulleid Pacific Part of the furniture

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    It has to be said that the only people who seem to get really het-up about this are photters, but one must assume that they intend to use the said source of information wisely, so I don't see the problem with the status quo if timings are available there, but not in general circulation. It's when everyone else starts to swamp the trackside that the problem of trespass generally emerges, so restricting the information to limited channels is wise. If a vast swathe of Joe Public doesn't know where to find the timing details, then that's potentially several less instances of strawberry jam-related paperwork, a nice surprise when they do see it steam past, and more space on the legal side of the fence for those who do want to see it.
     
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  12. Johnb

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    I used the term unofficial because I didn't think the request came with the equivelent of a D notice and as the great British public have a right and an obvious desire to see FS yes I would have ignored them. It's all so pointless, evidenced by the crowds who turned out to see it this week having got there information from mainstream social media.
     
  13. 99Z

    99Z Guest

    I officially request that everybody on the forum stands up, balance on one leg and makes chicken sounds.
    Please.

    This is to see if the forum complies with what anyone says or just those who are out to make a profit from this hobby.
     
  14. Spamcan81

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    Profit?
     
  15. RalphW

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    As usual dammed if we do and dammed if we don't.... Well I would rather be dammed by a few moaners on here than a tour operator trying to keep steam on our main lines.
     
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  16. 99Z

    99Z Guest

    I forgot Steam Dreams is a charity and donate all its profits ??

    It is a charity... Isn't it ?

    That's debatable too this year, judging by comments on other threads.

    How long before they get a super injunction to ban the timings.. At least then your guarenteed to find them on Twitter and on US websites.
     
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  17. Johnb

    Johnb Nat Pres stalwart

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    I was just trying to make the point that NRs reaction is ineffective and ludicrous. There was some very unpleasant violence against the Man United team bus and supporters at Upton Park the other day but I haven't heard the FA decree that West Ham can play all their remaining games but the fans won't be told when.
     
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  18. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    The sound of an axe being ground can now be heard quite clearly given the above post that has absolutely nothing to do with FS, steam charters or NR. And anyway, we all know who calls the tune with the FA.
     
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    Spamcan81 Nat Pres stalwart

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    I thought you were referring to people on here when you mentioned "profit."
     
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    @99Z and @Johnb - I think you've both made your point a number of times and other NatPres members can clearly see your views. Please give your keyboards a rest.
     
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