Bahamas, K&WVR - Carlisle 22/02/20

Tickets go on sale on the K&WVR website tomorrow at 9.30am. Info from https://www.facebook.com/WorthValleyRailway/posts/2561536370566725?

 

It's also mentioned on the Bahamas Loco Society website 'What's on' page

 

Raw power ready to be unleashed on the mainline: 45596 Bahamas leaves Oxenhope in horizontal rain 9th February 2019.

 

Not seen any times yet on RTT but have received some confirmed times from KWVR

OUTBOUND JOURNEY

Oxenhope dep. 0815
Haworth dep. 0820
Keighley dep. 0855
Skipton dep. 0930
Langwathby arr. 1150
Langwathby dep. 1215
Carlisle arr. 1250

RETURN JOURNEY

Carlisle dep. 1529
Appleby arr. 1615
Appleby dep. 1635
Skipton arr. 1835
Keighley arr. 2000
Haworth arr. 2030
Oxenhope arr. 2040

Looks like there will be stops at Hellifield on outward and return.

 

It looks like there's an on train raffle for a replica smoke box number plate, there's a photo and it's mentioned on the Bahamas Locomotive Society web site

http://ingrowlocomuseum.com/?page_id=460

Two different brunswick green Jubilee's over the Settle Carlisle this month within ten days, amazing !!!!

What chance a double header sometime ?

 

Will Bahamas be let loose without a helping diesel on the rear this time over the S&C I wonder

 

As I understand the run will be diesel free but as with all of these things, that could change

 

Last years Waverley with 'Bahamas' ran without a diesel, though it was a few degrees warmer in August....

 

RTT times

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...2/0600-2000?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=WR

 

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U10644/2020-02-22/detailed
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U10643/2020-02-22/detailed
If I have read RTT correctly, on the return journey it looks like the WC diesel will attach itself to the rear at Hellifield Goods Loop. Presume this is to drag the ensemble back from Kirkstall Goods Loop to Keighley. I guess the "normal" passengers will have detrained at Keighley and only the support crew will get this bonus mileage and a bit of rare track at Kirkstall? Probably also something else will take people from Keighley up the branch, as has been done before.

 

Agree about the diesel, BUT the train does not stop eastbound at Keighley so the passengers perhaps do go to Kirkstall Loop and back. At Keighley the train reverses and goes up the branch. At 20.36 5Z59 works the ECS from the branch back to Carnforth - probably.

 

I think you will find that it is booked non-stop from Skipton to Kirkstall Loop, then back to Keighley to set down. I guess if you need to be home earlier then you had better alight at Skipton and get a following train.

Peter

 

Kirkstall loops are are passenger loops not goods loops - makes the operation so much easier.

Peter

 

Ah yes, missed the fact that the train flies through Keighley. I call the Kirkstall Loops "goods" as these days they are almost entirely used for the stone trains from Rylstone/Arcow/Ribblehead. I accept entirely that they are designated as "up" and "down" passenger loops. (They are the remains of what was once a four track section including a flyover, all long gone.) There seems to be an aversion to using the crossover at Keighley for trains such as this special, anyone know why?

 

Yes. The time involved in shunting across the crossover would delay booked service trains. Not a problem when we do it at 21.15 this evening but it is during the day.
Peter

 

Ok thanks.

 

As far as I understand it, on the return passengers transfer to Worth Valley carriages at Keighley to go back to Oxenhope. The diesel does attach at Hellifield for the last part of the tour, yes.

 

That's what I originally supposed, in line with previous trips, but, as rightly pointed out to me, I hadn't seen the lack of a stop at Keighley. I just thought it would be unusual to take the passengers all the way to Kirkstall and back, but at the moment that is what the RTT timetable shows. We wait and see if a Keighley stop is suddenly inserted into the schedule (or not!).

 

Flooding at Wennington on the Little NW has closed the line. I wonder how the stock will get from Carnforth to Keighley. Copy Pit? It's due to be on the move shortly.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U10640/2020-02-21/detailed

 

National Rail Enquiries says line expected to be closed till 19.30. Hope it reopens but if not my money is on WCRC finding one way or another to get the stock there.
EDIT:Line now reported clear on National Rail Enquiries.