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Current state of 45593 Kolhapur

Rasprava u 'Steam Traction' pokrenuta od L&YR 2-4-2T 1008, 16. Ožujak 2016..

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  1. misspentyouth62

    misspentyouth62 Well-Known Member

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    It could be that evolutionary forces for engineering efficiency in HR is seeing more mature centres of excellence - where Black Fives & Jubilees gravitate to Carnforth and Ian Riley as Bulleids gravitate to Selling & Herston?
     
    misspentyouth62, 19. Rujan 2023.
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  2. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Whilst I'm sure that VT has the technical know-how to bring 5593 back into full health, it doesn't fit very well with the brand any more than 10A suddenly getting very excited about accelerating the overhaul of another Bulleid ahead of, say, 45110. So moving the loco on elsewhere does make sense, that is if it is of value to any other owner.

    LSL has enough on its plate currently. That said, it wouldn't be out of place at Crewe.
     
    Big Al, 19. Rujan 2023.
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  3. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    How does VT differentiate itself in a very competitive market where 10A is a Stanier centre of excellence and running three Jubilee's currently . Crewe has a Scot and a Black 5 so no one is short in the short term of Stanier motive power. The long distance market could well diminish which means tours or at least steam operation may become more focussed on lines radiating from home bases . The need for gauge friendly go anywhere engines becomes less important

    The market for a Jubilee is probably fairly small notwithstanding the need then to fully fund what I suspect will be an extensive overhaul.

    Those who advocate a large main line fleet of engines available may need to reflect that in a challenging and competitive market fleets will be maintained to be sustainable and optimise the returns and the days of an engine in traffic to do a few tours a year a long gone
     
    Sidmouth, 19. Rujan 2023.
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  4. Spamcan81

    Spamcan81 Nat Pres stalwart

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    I’m sure the majority of VT’s passengers would be as delighted with a nice LMS red Jubilee as they are with a green Castle.
     
    Spamcan81, 19. Rujan 2023.
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  5. robinboyle

    robinboyle New Member

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    We will down to two with Leander going out of ticket in the next few months.
     
    robinboyle, 19. Rujan 2023.
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  6. daveannjon

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    Did Tyseley not have an appeal for 5593 a while back? Perhaps the money donated could be put towards the Bloomer.
    Dave
     
    daveannjon, 19. Rujan 2023.
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  7. Chris86

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    I was just thinking that, wonder how the appeal got on.

    Chris
     
    Chris86, 19. Rujan 2023.
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  8. Johnb

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    Lots of things would be nice but unlikely
     
    Johnb, 19. Rujan 2023.
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  9. torgormaig

    torgormaig Part of the furniture Friend

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    I believe that Leander only has one more main line outing booked, that being the RTC's Cumbrian Coast Express on Saturday week, 30th Sept. After that , who knows..............:(.

    Peter
     
    torgormaig, 19. Rujan 2023.
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    JEB-245584, 20. Rujan 2023.
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  11. daveannjon

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    Ah that’s it, restored for the Commonwealth Games in 2022.
     
    daveannjon, 20. Rujan 2023.
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  12. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

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    The Michael Whitehouse article is a very good read, but nowhere does he say the Kolhapur will never be restored, he does however set out a very strong argument for a standardised fleet given the diminished engineering capability of UK plc and the difficulty of getting parts manufactured. The Jubilee shares no commonality with a Castle.
    So I can think we can safely assume 5080 is certainly the priority, but the whole theme of the article was one of uncertainty and steam being at a crossroads.
    What I found of great interest was the hint at restoring 4965 as an oil / bio fuel burner, and that he felt this was a relatively easy and logical next step!
    All in all, very thought provoking and lot of good sense in there.
     
    acorb, 20. Rujan 2023.
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  13. GWR4707

    GWR4707 Nat Pres stalwart

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    That's a shame, plus will be away so can't ever pop out to wave her farewell.

    I wonder what will happen, I assume that the overhaul of 46441 is taking up all the time at the moment, never sure how Leander was ever sustainable on the mainline considering how little use she appeared to get, but thanks to Mr Beet for letting us enjoy her!
     
    GWR4707, 20. Rujan 2023.
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  14. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

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    Little use can mean less wear and tear, but only the owner will know the economics!

    Firm favourite of mine, will never forget a run to Carlisle in the early 2000s when she beat the Caledonian timings - had a new found respect for Jubilees after that!

    Hopefully she will return and back in red would be nice too as 5690.
     
    acorb, 20. Rujan 2023.
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  15. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

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    I could be wrong, but from the last interview I read with Chris Beet he did say something along the lines of he didn’t want to put it through another overhaul again but he did prefer to see live steam…
    Admittedly this was in Steam Railway a few years ago though.
     
    Matt37401, 20. Rujan 2023.
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  16. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    I will no doubt be told off for supposition but there is always the possibility an agreement can be reached with WCRC to overhaul the engine as part of the broader WC pool

    I do have a soft spot for 5690 as it was a large part of my childhood and a day with the engine at the KWVR back in the spring was rather special
     
    Sidmouth, 20. Rujan 2023.
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  17. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

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    TBH I really wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case. Anyhow let’s get back to chatting about 5593
     
    Matt37401, 20. Rujan 2023.
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  18. GWR4707

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    Don't shoot the messenger but seen a suggestion on another forum that WCR have purchased Kolhapur?
     
    GWR4707, 8. Prosinac 2023.
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  19. Johnb

    Johnb Nat Pres stalwart

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    That I do find surprising as I would have thought that if the judicial review goes against them WC will have a lot more to think about than acquiring additional motive power
     
    Johnb, 8. Prosinac 2023.
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  20. Chris86

    Chris86 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting move if correct, 45110 and 45593 both over a very short period.
     
    Chris86, 8. Prosinac 2023.
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