If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

Current state of 45593 Kolhapur

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by L&YR 2-4-2T 1008, Mar 16, 2016.

Page 4 of 8
  1. misspentyouth62

    misspentyouth62 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2017
    Messages:
    1,717
    Likes Received:
    2,221
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    34D, now flexible
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    It could be that evolutionary forces for engineering efficiency in HR is seeing more mature centres of excellence - where Black Fives & Jubilees gravitate to Carnforth and Ian Riley as Bulleids gravitate to Selling & Herston?
     
    misspentyouth62, Sep 19, 2023
    #61
    johnofwessex likes this.
  2. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2009
    Messages:
    22,589
    Likes Received:
    22,715
    Location:
    1016
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Whilst I'm sure that VT has the technical know-how to bring 5593 back into full health, it doesn't fit very well with the brand any more than 10A suddenly getting very excited about accelerating the overhaul of another Bulleid ahead of, say, 45110. So moving the loco on elsewhere does make sense, that is if it is of value to any other owner.

    LSL has enough on its plate currently. That said, it wouldn't be out of place at Crewe.
     
    Big Al, Sep 19, 2023
    #62
    acorb likes this.
  3. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2005
    Messages:
    10,146
    Likes Received:
    9,777
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Alderan !
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    How does VT differentiate itself in a very competitive market where 10A is a Stanier centre of excellence and running three Jubilee's currently . Crewe has a Scot and a Black 5 so no one is short in the short term of Stanier motive power. The long distance market could well diminish which means tours or at least steam operation may become more focussed on lines radiating from home bases . The need for gauge friendly go anywhere engines becomes less important

    The market for a Jubilee is probably fairly small notwithstanding the need then to fully fund what I suspect will be an extensive overhaul.

    Those who advocate a large main line fleet of engines available may need to reflect that in a challenging and competitive market fleets will be maintained to be sustainable and optimise the returns and the days of an engine in traffic to do a few tours a year a long gone
     
    Sidmouth, Sep 19, 2023
    #63
  4. Spamcan81

    Spamcan81 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2007
    Messages:
    35,831
    Likes Received:
    22,269
    Occupation:
    Training moles
    Location:
    The back of beyond
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I’m sure the majority of VT’s passengers would be as delighted with a nice LMS red Jubilee as they are with a green Castle.
     
    Spamcan81, Sep 19, 2023
    #64
    andrewshimmin, Bluenosejohn, robinboyle and 1 other person like this.
  5. robinboyle

    robinboyle New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2007
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    7
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired Engineer
    Location:
    Cheltenham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    We will down to two with Leander going out of ticket in the next few months.
     
    robinboyle, Sep 19, 2023
    #65
  6. daveannjon

    daveannjon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2006
    Messages:
    1,114
    Likes Received:
    425
    Location:
    Waiting for the Right Away
    Did Tyseley not have an appeal for 5593 a while back? Perhaps the money donated could be put towards the Bloomer.
    Dave
     
    daveannjon, Sep 19, 2023
    #66
  7. Chris86

    Chris86 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,575
    Likes Received:
    1,782
    Occupation:
    Safety, technical and vehicle trainer
    Location:
    South Yorkshire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I was just thinking that, wonder how the appeal got on.

    Chris
     
    Chris86, Sep 19, 2023
    #67
  8. Johnb

    Johnb Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2014
    Messages:
    15,537
    Likes Received:
    18,383
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired, best job I've ever had
    Location:
    Buckinghamshire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Lots of things would be nice but unlikely
     
    Johnb, Sep 19, 2023
    #68
  9. torgormaig

    torgormaig Part of the furniture Friend

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2007
    Messages:
    4,906
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    I believe that Leander only has one more main line outing booked, that being the RTC's Cumbrian Coast Express on Saturday week, 30th Sept. After that , who knows..............:(.

    Peter
     
    torgormaig, Sep 19, 2023
    #69
    robinboyle likes this.
  10. JEB-245584

    JEB-245584 Member

    Joined:
    May 21, 2008
    Messages:
    462
    Likes Received:
    530
    Occupation:
    ADI
    JEB-245584, Sep 20, 2023
    #70
  11. daveannjon

    daveannjon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2006
    Messages:
    1,114
    Likes Received:
    425
    Location:
    Waiting for the Right Away
    Ah that’s it, restored for the Commonwealth Games in 2022.
     
    daveannjon, Sep 20, 2023
    #71
  12. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2007
    Messages:
    2,950
    Likes Received:
    4,379
    Location:
    Powys
    The Michael Whitehouse article is a very good read, but nowhere does he say the Kolhapur will never be restored, he does however set out a very strong argument for a standardised fleet given the diminished engineering capability of UK plc and the difficulty of getting parts manufactured. The Jubilee shares no commonality with a Castle.
    So I can think we can safely assume 5080 is certainly the priority, but the whole theme of the article was one of uncertainty and steam being at a crossroads.
    What I found of great interest was the hint at restoring 4965 as an oil / bio fuel burner, and that he felt this was a relatively easy and logical next step!
    All in all, very thought provoking and lot of good sense in there.
     
    acorb, Sep 20, 2023
    #72
    MikeParkin65, Johnme101 and S.A.C. Martin like this.
  13. GWR4707

    GWR4707 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    May 12, 2006
    Messages:
    19,232
    Likes Received:
    17,566
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cumbria
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    That's a shame, plus will be away so can't ever pop out to wave her farewell.

    I wonder what will happen, I assume that the overhaul of 46441 is taking up all the time at the moment, never sure how Leander was ever sustainable on the mainline considering how little use she appeared to get, but thanks to Mr Beet for letting us enjoy her!
     
    GWR4707, Sep 20, 2023
    #73
    60017 and Paul42 like this.
  14. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2007
    Messages:
    2,950
    Likes Received:
    4,379
    Location:
    Powys
    Little use can mean less wear and tear, but only the owner will know the economics!

    Firm favourite of mine, will never forget a run to Carlisle in the early 2000s when she beat the Caledonian timings - had a new found respect for Jubilees after that!

    Hopefully she will return and back in red would be nice too as 5690.
     
    acorb, Sep 20, 2023
    #74
    mike1522, 26D_M and Chris86 like this.
  15. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2014
    Messages:
    15,551
    Likes Received:
    11,955
    Location:
    Wnxx
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I could be wrong, but from the last interview I read with Chris Beet he did say something along the lines of he didn’t want to put it through another overhaul again but he did prefer to see live steam…
    Admittedly this was in Steam Railway a few years ago though.
     
    Matt37401, Sep 20, 2023
    #75
  16. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2005
    Messages:
    10,146
    Likes Received:
    9,777
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Alderan !
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I will no doubt be told off for supposition but there is always the possibility an agreement can be reached with WCRC to overhaul the engine as part of the broader WC pool

    I do have a soft spot for 5690 as it was a large part of my childhood and a day with the engine at the KWVR back in the spring was rather special
     
    Sidmouth, Sep 20, 2023
    #76
    Gav106 likes this.
  17. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2014
    Messages:
    15,551
    Likes Received:
    11,955
    Location:
    Wnxx
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    TBH I really wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case. Anyhow let’s get back to chatting about 5593
     
    Matt37401, Sep 20, 2023
    #77
  18. GWR4707

    GWR4707 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    May 12, 2006
    Messages:
    19,232
    Likes Received:
    17,566
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Cumbria
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Don't shoot the messenger but seen a suggestion on another forum that WCR have purchased Kolhapur?
     
    GWR4707, Dec 8, 2023
    #78
  19. Johnb

    Johnb Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2014
    Messages:
    15,537
    Likes Received:
    18,383
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired, best job I've ever had
    Location:
    Buckinghamshire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    That I do find surprising as I would have thought that if the judicial review goes against them WC will have a lot more to think about than acquiring additional motive power
     
    Johnb, Dec 8, 2023
    #79
    MuzTrem and green five like this.
  20. Chris86

    Chris86 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,575
    Likes Received:
    1,782
    Occupation:
    Safety, technical and vehicle trainer
    Location:
    South Yorkshire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Interesting move if correct, 45110 and 45593 both over a very short period.
     
    Chris86, Dec 8, 2023
    #80
Page 4 of 8

Share This Page