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1014 County of Glamorgan

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by aron33, May 22, 2016.

  1. misspentyouth62

    misspentyouth62 New Member

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    Post Woodham's Yard and now at Bute Street in Cardiff in June 1993 :
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/113816008@N03/44187800844/in/dateposted-public/
    The loco did receive more attention at Woodhams than many other engines and was connected to a Stanier tender painted red which I assume was reused on another loco already saved?

    Ironically, 7927 Willington Hall also seemed to receive the attention of those with paint brushes whilst in Woodhams and again seen here at Bute Street same date as 8F :
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/113816008@N03/29971358417/in/dateposted-public/
     
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    Unless the frames were beyond repair, all the major parts evidently remained fit for future use and seemingly better than those on other ex Barry 8Fs in some instances.
    Probably 8518 fell lastly under the control of a body that didn't care what happened to it as an entity so when approached by the 1014 project, accepted their proposal. Not sure how and to whom title passed though. Didn't it go to Llangollen first after the bus depot.
     
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    There would have been little Doncaster built metal left on the engine by the end of its career after several heavy overhauls during which parts would be replaced by overhauled components from stock. Even less would have remained by the time it left Barry. Should it have been overhauled, there would be precious little of the loco that left Doncaster. If one wants to recreate a LNER built 8F, renumbering one of the survivors would produce something just as accurate.
     
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    Agreed, but then that could be levelled at most locomotives in preservation - How many other locos actually consist of the components they were built with? Which makes the case for any individual locomotive invalid. Are they all preserved locos with an original accountancy identity, or are they all recreations?

    Richard.
     
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    Not a point of view I'd subscribe to as a justification for scrapping 8518. It existed for 70 years, then it didn't, and I don't see there is much mitigation for allowing that to happen.
     
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    How many 8f's are in operation? How many 'complete examples have little hope of seeing operation in the next say 20 years? These people who expect everything to be restored clearly have little grasp of the costs of steam preservation. Remember this engine was passed over numerous times until it was one of Barry's remaining basket cases. Money is best put into the other 8f's. I remember looking over the Ashford built example years ago. Could find very few SR components from what remained.
     
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    My point exactly . People get so wound up about numbers forgetting what really exists.
     
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    In my view, the existence of other 8Fs has no bearing on the survival of 8518 and am sure played little part in the decisions which led to its demise. As far as I can see it was quite needlessly scrapped as an expedience, effectively robbing a future generation of the opportunity ours neglected.
     
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    May I suggest you re-read your post no. 247 upthread, which was quite right!
     
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    I'd be interested to know how one would identify "SR components" on the Ashford built 8F? Surely all the components would be to the standard LMS design and indistinguishable from those fitted at other works wouldn't they? Or do you mean original components with the loco's number on them?
    Ray.
     
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    All the major works which built the 8Fs had some differences in the setup of the locomotives. On the Doncaster built 8Fs, different mechanical lubricators were fitted, in a different area on the running plate, and this change stayed with them all their working lives. That's one example - but there are more, including but not limited to the number of rivets, and their placement, cabside, overall difference in finish, etc etc. We're not talking about big items or big deisgn changes but subtle differences in application that make the output of a locomotive works different to another.

    Point being that all of the 8Fs were built to the same basic design but each individual works had their own stamp (literally) on them. And yes - the parts being stamped with 8518 might in all likelihood be stamped differently to the LMS works. They used different fonts at a bare minimum. It's fascinating to me, probably of no interest to anyone else, but I like finding these differences in what is meant to be the same basic design.
     
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    Someone else with the same problem methinks !

     
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    I would therefore assume that 8518 being the last 8F in Woodhams Yard, to have been robbed over the years of lots of parts, some of which may be running on other 8Fs restored or being restored. I doubt whether any mechanical lubricators lasted much beyond the early-mid Seventies on any of the locos at Barry and were acquired for spares.
    So that said....... Can anyone confirm any 8Fs or Black Fives running with any parts stamped (4)8518?
    On the footplate of 48151 the other day I noted the regulator being from a Black Five rather than an 8F
    I also noted motion parts on 45491 at GCR Loughborough from end of steam celebrity 44781

    End of the day, these locomotives are all a mishmash of metal parts that moved around between numbered locomotives as a matter of course over decades. I would also imagine that there will have been spare Frames that were used between the significant fleet of stander 8Fs in service and therefore, how do we know the frames that ended with 48518 were same as those built at Doncaster?
     
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    You are generalising about the Doncaster built 8Fs and what you have said is incorrect. Only the O6 Class locos 7651-7675 (3500-3524), later LMS 8705-8729, were fitted with Wakefield lubricators. The rest of the O6 Class and the REC ordered 8Fs built at Doncaster (LMS Nos 8510-8539) were fitted with Silvertown lubricators, the same as all the other 8Fs.
     
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    Working from memory, without my books to hand. My apologies for any misinformation. Thank you for clarifying.
     
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    Maybe you should direct a goodly chunk of your wrath toward the people who let it moulder away in Barry for decade after decade after decade after decade.

    Noel
     
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    Reading this thread, I would suggest that some of its contributors would do well to pay a visit to Didcot.

    Might I suggest, that back in 2004, the GWS had rather better things to do with its time than sign itself up to a series of extravagant newbuild schemes.

    Planning on how to get more visitors through the gates of Didcot Railway Centre might have been a start.
     
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    It is and for the Council that supposedly "saved" 8518.
     
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    I seem to remember seeing GW cast on wheel sets used on 8Fs
    Did all the works make all the parts ? Or did some just assemble parts from elsewhere ?
    Can someone remind me how many were made where - and what survives today ?
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMS_Stanier_Class_8F
     

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