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35011 General Steam Navigation

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by GSN, May 15, 2015.

  1. std tank

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    Isn't that a page out of the Build Schedule?
     
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    Yeah its the "Rebuilds bill of materials"
     
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    Slightly surprised by that but just shows you shouldn't believe everything you read in books. Maybe I should have said '58. Anyway according to E.S.Beavor, it was 72A with 29 light pacifics and 8 merchants. He was shedmaster at Exmouth Jct from 56 to 58. His view being an LNER/GC man was that some nice V2s would have been just fine for what the light pacifics were tasked with doing.
     
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    Do I get a prize?
     
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    Profuse apologies. Yes you get the medal. Or rather you do if you can convince @std tank !
     
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    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    34A = London. By 1960 the Southern had stripped out much of what it didn't need on passenger services and was in cull mode with its 4-6-0s so it could be 70A?
     
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    January 1960.
    34A 19 A4 12 A3 Total 31
    52A 8 A4 13 A3 14 A1 4 A2 Total 39
    64B 7 A4 15 A3 5 A1 10 A2 Total 37
    72A 35 WC/BB 7 MN Total 42

    Can we get back to 35011?
     
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    That's most kind! Would certainly be up for that. Hopefully we can arrange once Covid and Lockdowns are done.
     
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    I think that....controversial comment coming.....Ron Jarvis was probably the saviour of the Bulleid Pacifics. Had he not provided a cost effective solution for British Rail that allowed some of the class to be rebuilt whilst reducing costs on the others, then we might have ended up with a whole load of Class 7 Standards from an extended Britannia fleet plus possibly even a select fleet of 8Ps like Duke of Gloucester.

    The period from around 1952 to 1955 was quite a formative time for steam given its imminent demise.
     
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    Stewarts Lane?

    Richard.
     
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    Don’t forget the next batch of ‘Clans’ too
     
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    The answer has already been given, it was Exmouth Junction. Stewart’s Land didn’t have that many Pacifics.
     
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    I remember reading somewhere LMS Coronations were considered to take over Bulleid Pacific’s but there seemed to be a gauging issue with Southampton tunnel.
     
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    If the intention is to go back to what Bulleid designed, I still think it would be best to go back to the (spur?) gears that Bulleid would have used if he could rather than the chain drive which (as I understand) was a wartime compromise. I don't know whether that would have done anything to avoid the weaknesses that prompted the rebuilding, but maybe someone can enlighten us.
     
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    I am wondering what a bunch of Southern Clans would have been named? Cenimagni, Regnenses, or maybe more in keeping with their time: Krays, Richardsons...
     
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    Weren’t Mr Jarvis’s loco’s supposed to take over West Coast services at some point?
     
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    In all seriousness there is a list in the RCTS book about the Pacific’s, my copy is unfortunately in Worcestershire.
     
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    I have always been puzzled by the lack of chain adjustment for wear. Would guess that maintenance on the chain and associated problems with the valve gear locked up inside the oil bath was costly and time consuming.
    I doubt it was a popular job working on anything in the middle cylinder world.
     
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    Or even 3D mockups.
     
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