48518: Remains of....

The earlier topic on this locomotive is now archived, and the recent news was on the Llangollen shed thread, so lets start again.

The frames have been moved to Rileys for storage (but not apparently the coupled wheelsets which are reputed to be in good condition) and comment seen elsewhere is that the frames from 48518 could eventually find themselves under another UK 8F. So maybe they are in store as a long-term spare.

Another train of thought seen was that a rebuild might be in the offing with a boiler and firebox from Turkey, however equally comment is that everything 8F-wise in Turkey is in very poor condition.

A while ago someone was apparently looking at repatriating up to four of the six available 8Fs from Turkey, but that appears to have gone quiet now.

No point in speculating on either front, so we will have to await developments.

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I can see why a group would want to rebuild a new loco of a type which no longer exists (eg. "Tornado").

But I really don't understand why someone would want to spend so much time and money on importing major components of steam locos which already exist on other UK railways. Setting up these projects is only going to spread the volunteers and money even more thinly across the preservation movement.

If they like 8Fs so much, why don't they help to restore or maintain the current locos? I think there are 6 or 7 to choose from around the country.

Richard

 

The plan supposedly is to use one of the Turkish 8F's to return 48518 to steam. Depsite there being no tender, no boiler, no cab and AFAIK all the wheels have been designated for other projects.

So that only really leaves the frames and the cylinders. Look forward to seeing an O6 ! ](*,)

 

Shall we start a fund to rebuild the spare Turkish frame set now? #-o

 

Very good..

..isnt it going to all be a little embarassing fro those using various parts of the 8F if eventually someone rebuilds it and returns it to service. Probably would have been better to have gone for a new boiler in the first place guys...(but dearer of course)

 

If they going to use the 8F boiler, they should name the new loco after somewhere in the Midlands. One of the real Counties was named "County of Leicester" which is a bit off the GWR, anyway.

Richard

 

My concern would be that the "County" team with the best of intentions dismember the 8F boiler/firebox, and then decide that they would rather build from new the "County" boiler/firebox. The 8F remains are of little use then. It looks as though the precise method of conversion has yet to be agreed with LNWR at Crewe.
Apart from the actual condition of the 8F unit, it must depend on how extensive the alterations have to be to arrive at the "County" boiler/firebox. See the County website linked below for more detail on the proposed boiler conversion.

Because it looks as though this topic might drift away to becoming a "County" thread, can we keep this one to the 8F please folks, I have started a new thread with the url to the County projects excellent website.

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There is (was?) an 8F in Baghdad:
http://www.ajg41.plus.com/images/rail/iq-8f.jpg

It also shows up on Google Earth at 33°20'43.02"N 44°21'13.18"E

 

yes thats the one

oh and the cylinders have already been removed =;
ive spoken to someone at the elr and its moving on to gwr railway next. they also said that the frames are in better condition than the rest of the other 8fs

 

Im no LMS expert, but is there much difference in terms of bare frames between a 8F and Black 5 ?.

 

dur ...count the wheels.....2-8-0 and 4-6-0

ian

 

Would be rather ironic if someone is actually going to use what appears to be a good set of frames and some kit from Turkey to recreate 48518, because usually the identity of an engine rests with the frames.
So maybe an "LNER 06" will appear after all, but didnt someone say in the past that this particular locomotive, whilst built at Doncaster, never actually ran as an LNER engine? I'm not sure.

If there is one good boiler out there in Turkey, then it starts to get interesting, and somewhere like the NYMR would surely be interested in running such a loco?

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The B.R. numbers of the LNER O6 Class were 48705-72.

 

You notice i said BARE FRAMES, axleboxes and such like can be removed ](*,) , 2999 would of had to have the wheel spacings altered during it's changed from 4942.

 

How do you remove the cut-outs for them, though?

 

Like i said im not an LMS expert but the GWS has managed to get 6'8 wheels under Maindy Hall, so such things are not insurmountable, expensive though i'll admit.