60163 + 6024 DH to Plymouth, and 60163 to Penzance!!!

I think what probably doesn't help is away from Tyseley there is very little Swindon motive power availible, 6024 and 5972 is about it currently unless im mistaken, true 5029, 4936 & 4953 are privately owned but it's a lengthy light engine run to the West Country via Oxford or the Welsh Marches/Severn Tunnel, Cheltenham - Bristol direct heading south is still out i believe.

 

I find it a bit rich criticising the non Tornado lovers comments when some comments from others have included very childish insults and phrases.
As for Spamcan81's comments about you not being a real enthusiast if you don’t like Tornado, that’s just laughable. Answering that comment for me personally, I have followed steam across the country for many years spending many £s in the process which has no doubt helped maintain and grow our preservation movement. So regardless of how much money I spend in this sector because I don’t like Tornado I’m not a real enthusiast is just utter rubbish.

 

lol, "you obviusly don't appreciate",suppose that explains why i go on and support as much as possible any engine going then???

It isn't as loud as Cromwell thats a fact,i couldn't care what noise any loco makes,a steam loco is a steam loco,its as simple as that.

As for the infamous Mr Hooper,he was promptly instructed to stop by the stewards stood behind me.

Give the A1 to the right man,and it will perform brilliantly,as will any other loco,pity the one man works for WCRC.....

Bear in mind,with all my through the window shots the mic is covered,the sound would be much louder otherwise.

Why do we need to know that you don't like Tornado,i see no reason for you to even bother doing that,i don't like Class 66's but i don't feel the need to hijack a thread saying that?

As for your "Yawnado" comment,is that the thanks the guys who built it get then?

Tornado is not my personal favourite loco,but its just as good as any other express passenger loco in my eyes.

 

Tornado is the best and most remarkable thing to happen to the steam movement for many years and I for one was extremley impressed by it when it visited the SVR, as were the thousands of extra vistors. On the SVR it spun 9 coaches along the line with virtually no effort at all, it barely made any noise even when leaving stations-this was what was impressive, you knew it had a huge amount of power in reserve. 60009 used to be the same on the SVR, until one day I was behind it when it was truly opened up on Eardington bank and that was simply awesome and an experience and noise i'l never forget- pure steam pornography! A loco doesn't need to be shattering windows to be impressive, the very fact that Tornado appears quiet and not working hard is a smoke screen to when you look at the mind blowing performance figures she produced last year with some very heavy loads. 71mph over Stoke bank with 13 on being one, repeating the feat the following week being another to show it wasn't a fluke. And like 71000 & 6233 I don't think we've seen the best from her yet.

 

For anyone wanting to hear a locomotive really making some noise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBEHtevIXng

Turn up the sound and enjoy..........

 

Yes,thanks for that Nick,brilliant memories,probably my favourite mainline loco between 2000-09,absolute beast.

 

Oh dear Alberta go and read my original post. It didn't say what you wanted it to say or you claim it said. Please point out where I criticised Tornado or the people that built it? All I said was we have seen rather alot of it in the SW and it would be nice to have a change! Perhaps I shouldn't have used the Yawnado term but I wasn't the first and won't be the last. That said you are happy to call 47s Duffs which is just as much an insult to those who preserve and maintain them! But then that is ok....

I look forward to the apology ....or perhaps you are too busy filming 67s....

 

Dave,
If we are to use your yardstick that a the noise a loco makes decides how impressive it is then Chapelon's wonderful compounds will be well down the list and so will 18 201 as that's a double Kylchap too IIRC and certainly not in the same league noise wise as an 01 or 03 for example. Beauty may well be in the eyes and ears of the beholder but there isn't a steam loco on the planet that I would dismiss with such remarks as "if the pub was open or some paint drying somewhere," remarks I consider to be "dissing 60163. From the smallest narrow gauge tank to the mightiest articulated loco, they can all be impressive in their own way and worth going to see. As for Foxfield - I've been a regular visitor for nigh on 40 years and don't intend to avoid it any time soon so I guess I'll see you there sometime - but sadly haven't been to the Tanfield for a quite a while but did run some super charters there in the 90s.
Had an enjoyable day today doing sound of Pioneer II at the Bluebell. Not exactly loud but an interesting addition to my sound archive. That's the angle I'm coming from, a loco doesn't have to be so loud it damages your hearing in order to be impressive.

 

"Yes,thanks for that Nick,brilliant memories,probably my favourite mainline loco between 2000-09,absolute beast."

It is not my video Mark,I was there though, at Whiteball,Dainton,Hemerdon,Tivvy Parkway and Highbridge. we dont seem to have uploaded the video so I may do that tomorrow.

Tornado will have to go some to beat 5051 but I will still be out for it on a Torbay sometime this summer.

 

Why would i apologise to you,more to the point,why the hell would i film 67s? FYI that was my dad,not me,im sure he will be delighted to talk to you if you feel the need to critisicse that? Although i fear it wouldn't be a very long conversation.


Oh and it did say what i said it did "But here are some engines working hard but they probably have too many pipes on the outside for you to appreciate!",well seen as though we don't have dosh to go over there,give me a chance and i would love to go,as for 5197,that is also a beast of a loco,don't judge people you don't know!

I appreciate any loco,as i keep saying,although its blatently obvious that you would to prefer to make me like yourself,as for insults,you keep claiming i make them,i have to say "idiots" was strong,and wasnt directed at you,but if you carry on throwing them about i will quite gladly throw some back,if you still want to carry the daft arguement on,please PM me.

 

Errrmmmm..... is this thread not entitled '60163 + 6024 DH to Plymouth, and 60163 to Penzance!!!'

As previous posters have said, every locomotive has its merits, and we should be thankful that we have them out on the mainline to enjoy at all, so can we now stop bickering and pleeeasse get back to discussing what promises to be two very exciting trips this year with steam traction, which I for one will be hoping both to travel on and view lineside.

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There's an old saying...."Empty Vessels Make The Most Noise".
And I'm not referring to any of the Loco's mentioned in this thread.

 

Now if anything was designed to make anyone yawn it was your above post. Nobody here has said that 60163 is the loudest loco in the world. Some have said that it doesn't have to be the loudest to still be impressive but that's a different thing entirely. I had to chuckle at your little dig about "having too may pipes on the outside for you to appreciate." Has anyone here said they don't appreciate foreign locos? So far only two people have said they don;t like Tornado while the rest seem to be in the "I like any loco as long as it's steam" camp. We all have our favourites of course but does having a favourite mean one has to be disparaging of others?

 

I wasn't disparaging of Tornado.....that is the point! All I said was it would be nice to see some more variety in the SW.

 

Too true! And what a shame it is...

 

Sadly I won't be able to make either of these runs but I'm sure both 60163 and 6024 will delight those who book on these trips. I've no idea how long the Tornado effect will last but while it's there you can't blame tour operators for milking it for all it's worth. An A1 and a King does seem like overkill but how big a train will they be hauling. Given the costs of having two locos, I would think that the organisers will want as many bums on seats as they can get to keep ticket prices reasonable.

 

With regard to GWR 175 and the lack of GWR motive power over the former GW network. Yes it is a pity that Vintage Trains are the only mainline operator pulling out all the stops to celebrate this milestone. But there is quite a lot going on at preserved lines with a GWR pedigree, take a look here and follow the links......http://www.steam-museum.org.uk/steam/gwr175.htm

 

Certainly a pity to note the best of all the GWR 175 one day tours is the same weekend as the Coronation,a real pity.

I can only imagine that had PTR/Kingfisher still been in business we would of had a lot more.

 

Not really surprising when you look at the list of mainline-certified GWR locos!